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| ▲ | unselect5917 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >Not so sure about that. Handing an ID to a bouncer at a bar or similar is not logging anything. Mainly it's some big man that you can see gears turning to see if the date is correct and a cursory glance to see if the photo matches. Sophisticated places might have a scanner that does what ever validation it does, but again, it's just another cursory check of the photo. Most of these people really don't care. Not necessarily true. There's a local stripclub that scans and saves the scan to fight chargebacks and the like. It is definitely logging stuff. They've told me that they were going through the logs once and the bartender ended up googling my fullname. We're cool and I didn't care, but this what you said is not a blanket true statement. I trust a physical business that I can visit far more than some ID verification company that is going to get hacked at some point. |
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| ▲ | stavros an hour ago | parent [-] | | I've seen this before in London too in some venues. They have full-on computers that scan your passport and take your photo, for the express purpose of storing this info. |
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| ▲ | schnitzelstoat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The tech companies care even less than the bouncers do. They just want a plausible defence should it ever end up in court. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | tech companies care even less? how do you arrive to that conclusion? tech companies log/store EVERYTHING. this would be an absolute boon for them to be able unequivocally assign to you all of the data they track about you. suddenly, anonymous analytics become identified data and not just deanonymized data. | | |
| ▲ | beloch 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Logs of location data on people are already worth real money. The FBI has admitted to buying it. The companies that do age verification will absolutely be selling that data unless there are severe penalties for doing so, and what are the odds that the U.S. government passes a law making it illegal for the FBI to buy data? That's bad enough if you're a U.S. citizen. If you're a non-U.S. citizen, now you're in the situation where all these U.S. social media sites are collecting personal information from you and reselling it, but you have no legal protection unless your government risks tariffs and invasion threats to pass legislation against it, which the U.S. will probably ignore anyways. This might just be the impetus that finally drives enough users to non-U.S. social media platforms to get the snowball rolling downhill. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This might just be the impetus that finally drives enough users to non-U.S. social media platforms to get the snowball rolling downhill. I guess, but like, who? During the time TikTok was not available on an app store (even though the service wasn't stopped), people were trying some of the other Chinese apps, and they were not very compelling as the exodus never happened. |
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| ▲ | dpark 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How does a tech company calling into a government database to verify your identity maintain your anonymity? |
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| ▲ | atmavatar 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It does the opposite: allowing the government to track your online activity as a side-effect of site owners' validating your ID every time you visit. That's the point, and it's a big part of why opposing online age verification is a hill to die on. | | |
| ▲ | dpark 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | My mistake. My question was rhetorical but I thought this whole thread was rooted in the parallel conversation about anonymous credentials systems. |
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| ▲ | chimeracoder 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Not so sure about that. Handing an ID to a bouncer at a bar or similar is not logging anything. > Sophisticated places might have a scanner that does what ever validation it does, but again, it's just another cursory check of the photo. Many/most bars do scan IDs now. Ostensibly it's to verify that it's real, but they do use those systems to keep a log of everyone who enters. |
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| ▲ | basisword 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They also use them to flag people who've been previously banned and the systems work across venues. The idea that verification in the real world is cursory is not accurate. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The vast majority of places I frequent do not even have a person at the door checking IDs. If the bar tender/server thinks you look young, they ask for ID. I clearly do not look to be too young, so there's that. The last place I went to with an actual scanner was more of a nightclub that had a cover charge. | | |
| ▲ | RajT88 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There's a fine line between night clubs and bars (and a venue can operate as both, depending on the night). Functioning as a bar where people come in, drink and eat - generally not checking ID's at the door. Functioning as a night club, generally checking ID's at the door. Almost no places I've been to scan ID's. I'm also middle aged and not going to night clubs hardly ever. Pretty much just a couple concerts a year in the big city. Those venues scan ID's. | |
| ▲ | unselect5917 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anecdotal evidence is weak (not) evidence. | | |
| ▲ | abustamam 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is true but your orignal reply was also anecdotal. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | sure, but it is what it is. the places with scanners may be more sophisticated than i give them credit, but you cannot deny there are places that do not card every person every time you visit. online places will never not know it was you. if you cannot see the differences, then you're just deliberately being obstinate about it |
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| ▲ | aqme28 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Well then it’s a good thing my fake id is from a state or foreign government without a checkable database |
