What is this reply even, what’s wrong with the vibe coding community? They have such ridiculous takes, it reminds me a lot of the extreme stances from the gaming community. Terminology also seems to come from there, “nerfing” etc.

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balamatom an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>what’s wrong with the vibe coding community

For starters, the vibes.

Vibe coding, like Web3 before it (like Web 2.0 before it, like the dotcom boom before that - what preceded?) - harnesses the kind of focused attention with which gamers hook their brains into portals to virtual worlds - and directs all that bargain-basement wetware compute towards some obscured "real-world" goal instead. (See also: CADT development.)

Hyperscale these very inefficient but very dependable almost-not-efforts, and you beat the more efficient approaches. See also: evolutionary algorithms, autoresearch, price dumping; "attention is all you need", which though a legit piece of mathemagic always sounded to me like a rehash of that old adage, "all you need is love" (pejorative).

Really, "real world" is a consensus; we don't generally observe balamatoms or even balamolecules, we reason in terms of material objects' socially constructed balameanings and interrelations. Therefore, by redirecting sufficient attention to some thing labeled "unrealistic", we can remove that label; by this technique, a sufficiently large collective actor can quite literally, and quite directly, change the world. Without asking anyone, least of all me!

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achierius 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think a lot of non-vibe-coding types also hold similar opinions -- in fact they might dislike Anthropic products even more, given that they (however few they might be) choose not to use them.

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stingraycharles 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance?

This seems such an immature take to me, and hard to take serious. Anthropic just a bunch of script kiddies? Really?

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subscribed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Claude Code is a vibe-coded product that doesn't seem to be undergoing regression tests.

It looks like they're running it in the loops then ship whatever looks the coolest.

How is this not "high on own supply"?

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stingraycharles 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why the insults/hostility? Why call them script-kiddies? Why the inflated egos?

How do you know what testing procedures they use? Do you honestly think they're running some kind of Ralph loop without any testing and just ship whatever looks the coolest? Really ?

	▲	dkersten 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> How do you know what testing procedures they use? We don’t, but we can see the end result, so we know whatever they do isn’t adequate and it suggests they value shipping fast over quality or even listening to customer feedback. > Do you honestly think they're running some kind of Ralph loop without any testing and just ship whatever looks the coolest? Really ? No, but given how sharply the quality has been dropping over the past few months and how it suspiciously coincided with the time they admitted that Claude code is now 100% vibe coded, it certainly doesn’t feel too far off. I’ve personally found the code that the AI writes, even this week (ie not some old models from months ago) to be shockingly shoddy. I’ve rewritten some AI code (created via spec driven development and a workflow that includes planning and refactoring) by hand and I’ve been very conscious of the amount of micro-design-changes I as a human make where the AI just blows forward shoehorning a solution into the design. My implementation happens b has adjusted and shifted many times to insure clear and performant logic, while the AI commits to an approach early and applied whatever brute force is necessary to make it work. I’ve also asked it to write various tests for me or to make isolated changes and quite frankly the code was just not very good. Working, but convoluted. Even with guidance and iteration, it’s still not on a human level. So it’s not hard to see that if you have an application as large and complex as Claude code and you let the AI do it all, that it’s going to be a mess. I’m not against using AI for development, but you have to be realistic about its capabilities. I feel like this is where they “got high on their own supply” and are blinded to the AI’s shortcomings and failures.

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dkersten 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They’ve said themselves that Claude code is 100% vibe coded now. That certainly meets the criteria of “script kiddies” and “high on their own supply”. The negative connotations are there on purpose because of the bugs and issues that these products have, something which presumably they wouldn’t have if there was human oversight and acknowledgement that the AI isn’t infallible.

	▲	stingraycharles 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> They’ve said themselves that Claude code is 100% vibe coded now. That certainly meets the criteria of “script kiddies” That's not what script kiddies are at all. > The negative connotations are there on purpose because of the bugs and issues that these products have, something which presumably they wouldn’t have if there was human oversight and acknowledgement that the AI isn’t infallible. That's a big assumption, given that Anthropic is also currently growing by more than 3x per quarter. Maybe the problem is more complicated and we don't know everything, and they're also just simply suffering from growth pains?

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lelanthran 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance?

Maybe not the script kiddies part, but "high on their own supply" is certainly not unreasonable.

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stingraycharles 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now.

The comment is not at all just saying “their usage of their own AI is causing these issues”, it’s just a lot of hostility, I don’t see the value of these kind of insults.

	▲	lelanthran 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now. Maybe it's just interpretation: "high on their own supply" is no different from "poisoned by their own dogfood" or similar. It means that they have completely committed to a thing that the person proffering the quote thinks is "wrong" in some way.

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processunknown 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Seems reasonable to me