| ▲ | dsign 2 days ago |
| Can you imagine going to a football match and second-guessing which are the players who look human, but skin-deep are actually androids made at a factory? This is what it feels like with music and literature right now with so much AI. There are some pockets where you still can say "that's human-made", like 3D-rendered feature films with some particular artistic direction. That, it seems, AI companies also want it to go the way of the dodo. |
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| ▲ | NitpickLawyer 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yesterday I saw a clip that went "viral" of a few hogs chased by a humanoid robot somewhere in Poland. I had to watch it a few times to figure out if it was real or generated. I still wasn't 100% sure. Asked around in a group, and apparently it's been widely reported on regular news, so I guess it's real? But we're slowly getting to the point where you won't be able to tell, especially from a short clip on a phone. |
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| ▲ | ncr100 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes, and tx for sharing the experience of the hog video - recommended to me too and I chose not to click, as I did not want the frustration of seeing another "tech run amuck" example, of tech disrupting YET ANOTHER norm. Relatedly, IMO "trust" as a word / concept is deserving of being reevaluated nowadays. E.g. I don't know that you, NitpickLawyer, are a real person. And when I go through the mental exercise of inventing the details, proofs, and evidence I'd need in order to satisfy my doubt, I never succeed until I reach the physical-contact-with-NitpickLawyer condition. So I think we need to evaluate what is necessary for oneself to operate in society, separate from these untrustable things .. such as media / news reports, and all the other things I just don't want to worry about, right now. :-( |
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| ▲ | augment_me 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No-one cares dude. People like good enough, convenient things that serve their entertainment needs, which is shaped by said entertainment, so there is not really an issue here. |
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| ▲ | PoorRustDev 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | “No one cares” except for all the people bringing up that they care. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Since they are up against a insurmountable mountain of capital which will commoditize and optimize whatever it wants, they are kind of in for a pointless fight with an inevitable end. They could save themselves a lot of despair if they saw the writing on the wall and pivoted to something that still has value, or accepted the new reality instead of throwing a fit. | | |
| ▲ | ncr100 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That is too difficult as the concept (of trusting one's perception) is, I believe, intertwined deeply with other aspects of being human, for many people. It's not reasonable to require that those people be mentally organized in a manner that already mistrusts reality, in a healthy manner. | |
| ▲ | sassymuffinz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe it is a pointless fight with an inevitable end but at least I'll die with my humanity and dignity intact rather than being a boot licker for Sam Altman, but you do you. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me a day ago | parent [-] | | You can die with your humanity at a farm growing veggies and being surrounded by people you love and still be consistent with that I write. Seeing the inevitable does not equal loving or wanting it. | | |
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| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I care deeply. It is not single-handedly going to destroy humanity. However, we are clearly on a course where people are more isolated, less challenged, less social, and very very very unhappy. Music is one of those things that can really bring people together. If we flood the zone with AI music (or any other art form) we will slowly edge out the humans who are doing that. That is less new music. Less chances to come together. Less chances to dance together. It's a death by a thousand cuts. I, and many others, think it's worth fighting for because we want others to have the amazing experiences we're having. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Every generation has a new baseline. The younger generation will not be able to imagine having anything other than doctors and psychologists in the phone, and they are content with it because it's all they know. Social media might be all the social connection they have, and that will be the best thing where they will have the best experiences, they won't know another baseline. Eventually maybe the best experiences will be had with digital companions, etc. The only losers here are old or bitter people who have tied up their worldview into their own time and cannot see or comprehend that the world has moved on with a different bound for the experiences and expectations. | | |
| ▲ | dilDDoS 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Eventually maybe the best experiences will be had with digital companions, etc. Obviously I can't speak for all of Gen Z (and I realize we're no longer "the younger generation"), but my friends and I don't want any part of this, and feel optimistic rather than bitter that things won't go the way you're describing. I seldom meet anyone in my age group that isn't talking about moving away from social media, cancelling software subscriptions, all of the things that millenials and Gen X seem to be so excited to continue building and promoting. Even at my workplace the "older" people are the ones that are excited about stuff like AI jazz remixes of rap songs and AI generated short films, while literally everyone else under 30 finds it pretty cringe and makes fun of them in DMs. So all that to say, I disagree with your outlook, but I guess time will tell. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Talking about and doing something are different things. What are the social and market structures around your friends that lets them avoid having a smartphone, cancelling subscriptions, and uninstalling everything? Do you see this getting better with media consolidations from Substack(Andreassen), Twitter(Musk), and Youtube channels by the hyperscalars/billionaries and questionable merges like Paramount and Warner Bros? When the social culture is based around platforms and content that has subscriptions, and when media and what you see is consolidated, you can't just exit without losing a big part of the social context because the people around you are eating the same thing. I dislike slop as much as anyone else. I think it puts a higher burden on the receiver of information to filter the signal in a pile of trash. I just don't really see an actual way out if you look at it from a societal level with the existing structures and incentives. | | |
| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > you can't just exit without losing a big part of the social context because the people around you are eating the same thing. That's exactly it. The goal is lose a big part of the social context. It driven by rage bait, AI bots, state actors, and a thousand other influences that are predominantly negative. Of course amazing things happen online. However, the good is not worth bad. I'm raising my kids and they will never have a smart phone. Will they miss out on somethings? Of course! They also won't have their attention span destroyed, their ability to be bored and creative in the real world destroyed, they won't have body issues, they won't be caught up in the alt-right pipeline, they won't have their brains fried by content like Mr. Beast which is designed to be as hyper and addicting as possible. Missing out on the current social context is the entire goal. People were happier before it. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me a day ago | parent [-] | | This structure expects all of their friends to live in similar systems. Otherwise their friends will talk about games, memes, series at school while your kids are isolated away as they are not a part of the culture and not in the loop. I think this is only possible if you find a community with similar values, like religious, or hippie, where the focus is put on other things. Otherwise you might deprive your kids of what you want to give them because they will not feel socially connected. | | |
| ▲ | thinkingtoilet a day ago | parent [-] | | I am not an idiot. I'm well aware they will pick up things at school My 5 year old already knows who Mr. Beast is. He's never watched a video of his and never will at my home. If he watches one or two at a friends house that of course is going to happen. But he won't be consuming that poison regularly every day. My 8 year old is doing just fine. Happy. Healthy. Active. Lots of friends. And when they're older and fully functioning adults unlike some of these Gen Z zombies who have had their brain fried, they will thank me. | | |
| ▲ | augment_me a day ago | parent [-] | | I hope you will be right. I think the teenage years might be hard for this, good luck. |
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| ▲ | tempaccount5050 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The pearl clutching over the pedigree of art is getting tiring. No one has really ever cared. Most mainstream music is written by corporate teams. Elvis didn't write his own music. Frank Sinatra didn't write his own music. Nearly all pop artists don't. But suddenly, people are now clamoring for art, but they never gave a shit to begin with. Most people can't tell AI written music from anything else if a human performer played it. Most of it is better than any local bands anyway. Tired of people pretending they care. |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s subjective, because it’s art. There’s no right answer. If you like listening to AI generated content, then that’s fine! I’m glad you found something you enjoy. For me, I consume art because I want to understand other people. For example, when I go to an art museum I want to emotionally connect with the artist: to feel what they were feeling, or understand an idea they’re conveying. I have little desire to emotionally connect with stochastic token sampling. It seems a vapid way to spend time | | |
| ▲ | unshavedyak 2 days ago | parent [-] | | You still assume the artist in those examples is real. It could be a team, a ghost artist, etc - yea it's less likely than music, but still. The connection itself is quite difficult too, given the ease in which someone could plagiarize others work - sure they have mechanical skill, but did they really invest in the painting or was it ripped off from others ideas? I suspect your connection to real artists won't be impacted. This, like the music example, just highlights our assumptions. I'm not defending this AI garbage fwiw, i just don't think it's as interesting as most people make it out to be. I adore music, and i connect with songs i connect with. I don't typically think about the possible ghost writers, teams of writers, ghost players, etc. The music either speaks to me or it doesn't. Though i'm not trying to connect to the musician as a person. However, as i was illustrating - if i really wanted to connect to musicians at face value, that ship sailed many, many years ago. Far before AI. There are ways to mitigate this, but that balance will always be there - it was before AI, and it will be after. It's an evolution. Not an enjoyable one perhaps, but it is nonetheless. |
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| ▲ | bjelkeman-again 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I arrange gigs with real bands playing music. At least that will take quite a while to replace with AI. I am curious to see if we will get a backlash eventually around the content. It will probably be a mix of everything. Storytelling didn’t go away when the theatre was invented. Theatre didn’t go away when cinema arrived. Cinema wasn’t replaced when radio arrived, ad that wasn’t completely replace by TV, etc. It is a mix of things these days and it will probably remain that way. | |
| ▲ | ncr100 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Check out this album, especially Bernard's Boogie, and Horses. - https://donnybenet.bandcamp.com/album/il-basso Totally not written by Google. | |
| ▲ | flipthefrog 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Frank Sinatra had Ai he woulnt have had to perform any of that slop by Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Kurt Weill, Rodgers & Hammerstein and other composers no one cares about | |
| ▲ | slopinthebag 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did Frank Sinatra have an AI write his music? Did Elvis? If not, doesn't your argument entirely miss the point? |
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| ▲ | DonHopkins 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can you imagine watching a movie, and not being able to tell which scenes have GC special effects and which don't? Oh no!!! GC totally ruins all movies!!! Even movies that don't use CG are ruined by the tension of dreading that they might, and wondering if they do, and doubting everything you see in the screen, even if they don't. CG has ruined everything! |
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| ▲ | polski-g 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| AI is currently the worse it will ever be. 18 months ago it couldn't draw hands. |
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| ▲ | squigz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > like 3D-rendered feature films with some particular artistic direction. This is a really interesting example. Why do you foresee artistic direction going away as a result of AI? More importantly: why didn't we lose that with the transitions through the years of special effects - i.e., from practical to 3D-rendered? |
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| ▲ | nemomarx 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's not an uncommon opinion that we did lose artistic direction and aesthetics by moving to vfx - the ability to edit more and more things in post to change the direction or plot of a film personally seems like it's enabled more design by committee in marvel films, etc |
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