| ▲ | megaman821 3 hours ago |
| Even with these cherry-picked examples, plug in how things actually were. That $8,200 station wagon with at 48 month loan and the terrible 80's loan rates of 10-12% would be like $750/month now. Most of those cars wouldn't make it to 50k miles without a major repair. There were almost no safety features, seat belts weren't required to be worn and you could drink and drive. This weird fetishization of the past is a mental illness. |
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| ▲ | syel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Agree, but if we take a wholistic approach, most things were more affordable. This is a satirical take not a literal financial comparison and I designed it to be that, but I think no can disagree that life in 80s and 90s was way more affordable. |
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| ▲ | xnx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Disagree. Presenting partial information like this distorts and confuses people's understanding. | | |
| ▲ | syel 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are right, I think I mention that most experiences on the site are satirical but I don't mention it on the landing page to this experience, will add this today, will also add "not inflation adjusted' until I change the numbers to adjust for inflation. |
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| ▲ | megaman821 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some things yes and some things no. It is not and cut-and-dry as you think. Look up the inflation adjust prices for a computer or a "big-screen" TV and realize almost no one pays anything near those prices for any consumer good. On the other hand there are a lot more people in the US and it is not like land is sprouting up from nowhere, so the price of land is a lot more. Most things though fall into what people's personal preferences are. Cars have more luxury, house are bigger and have better finishes, movies are huge spectacles, one person can't watch 8 infants, you get more than an aspirin from formerly untreatable diseases; roll all this back and prices will drop. | | |
| ▲ | ihumanable 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I find this graphic a good one https://www.visualcapitalist.com/inflation-chart-tracks-pric... Obviously it's partial (or else there would be a billion lines) but it gives a good broad view of what things have gotten more or less expensive. - TVs, toys, software, and cellphone services are cheaper. - Clothing, funishings, and cars roughly flat. - Healthcare, education, childcare, food, and housing are all more expensive by more than 50%. So this is the moment we are in, we can certainly find things that were cheaper but your average consumer buys a TV once every few years, they buy food and pay for housing every day. I don't think people are ignorant of the upsides of this deal, they are just capable of also recognizing the downsides. | | |
| ▲ | megaman821 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Almost nothing can make labor-dominated services drop though. I guess you could have guest worker visas that pay half the going wage, and there would be a lot of people that take that deal, but most Americans would hate that. Grocery inflation is not nearly as bad as the food inflation overall, which is driven by food-away-from-home just absolutely skyrocketing. Billions of words have been spilled about housing, so I will boil it down simply. It is a mixture of policy and preference. It doesn't have to be the way it is, we just need to collective will to change things. |
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| ▲ | neaden 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I 100% disagree with this and don't think it is particularly close? Sure there are some specific locations that are much more expensive, and there are some locations that are much cheaper. Overall if you want the same things it is way more affordable today than the 80s and 90s. But our standards have risen a lot and things that used to be considered middle class are now considered poor. | | |
| ▲ | ozlikethewizard 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Anything that could be considered in the base layers of Maslov's heirarchy is certainly less affordable. Food, shelter, health, education. Sure lots of consumer goods have got cheaper, but if you've got a big TV and no house to put it in are you actually any richer? | | |
| ▲ | neaden 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Let's take these one at at time 1. Households in 1980 spent a large share of their income on food then today, and CPI tracks food expenditure and it's below wage increases. So this one is a victory for today vs the past. 2. Shelter is difficult because we expect much more today than the past, houses have gotten much much larger. One big issue is interest rates, which were about twice as high in the 80s than in recent times. If you want to buy a small house without air conditioning and other amenities that are now standard you can do it cheaper than what you would have paid back then. So another victory for today. 3. Health is once again hard, because a lot of the increased cost is for things that weren't around back then. We can just call this one a draw 4. Education. This is the one that is most clearly an increase above inflation. Some of this is due to decreased funding by governments, some due to admin bloat, but mostly it's just that labor is getting more expensive and education is a very labor focused sector. So victory for the past. So overall I have to say you are incorrect, the past was more expensive than now and less affordable for a middle class person. I also have to say I find this whole thing kind of odd, I was born in the 80s and remember what it was like, I would not want to switch places with my parents economically. |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Focusing though on the cost (you know, no one is going to prevent you from wearing a seatbelt) where is the equivalent today? A used Ford Focus off of Craigslist? A double-wide in a trailer park? As another pointed out, I think we're "fetishizing" the affordability of the previous decades, not the cigarette smoke in the restaurants. As per cherry picking: housing, transportation, education… These are kind of important. If it had only been, say, giant TVs I would agree it is cherry-picked. Perhaps you think the examples themselves (Ford F-150, etc.) are what are cherry-picked? |
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| ▲ | megaman821 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Americans just won't buy these "cheap" cars. Almost every American car-maker, and most foreign car importers too, have dropped passengers cars from their lineup year-after-year leaving only SUVs and trucks. Look at what Ford and GM offer in Latin America; small, affordable cars. Every now-and-then they try to bring something similar to the US and it's sales numbers are always dismal. The US is mostly rich (by world standards) and has premium preferences. The huge gulf is between what people say they want and what they actually end up buying. | |
| ▲ | wang_li 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Focusing though on the cost (you know, no one is going to prevent you from wearing a seatbelt) where is the equivalent today? A used Ford Focus off of Craigslist? A double-wide in a trailer park? A brand new Nissan Versa for $17,300. Work for an entire year after high school while living with your parents and saving money so you can attend a state school for <$10,000/year. Don't take out student loans so you can buy a premium laptop, luxury clothes, and travel. Don't get a new phone every one or two years. Don't sign up for 5+ streaming services. Don't buy coffee and toast from cafes. https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html |
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| ▲ | trollbridge 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People didn’t finance cars on 4 year loans back then. 3 years was the max, so even with 10% interest that’s only $60 extra a month for 3 years. |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And that major repair? Water pump that dad changed in like 30 minutes. Or engine rebuild he did with friends and some beers or did for the lady down the street for the cost of parts. Do people even help eachother fix eachother's cars anymore? We used to be a society helping. Now it's go to a mechanics shop that normally starts with the process of them seeing if they can scam you. The fetishization of basic progress is wild. We EXTPECT our society to progress. People went from horses (where they literally had to shovel shit) to cars. 2026 'now we have seatbelts' is some bullshit progress metric for an entire ass society and isn't the 2026 hyped/sold/expected. That you have to reach to pulling up that example (versus my 'shoveling horse shit to having jet airplane looking 1950s/60s cars) shows things kinda suck. In exchange you can't fix the car and have to take it in. You can't just help out the single mom down the street and check out her problem for her. Tires are so expensive they have to go on the credit card and be a planned expense (my parents with hardly any money didn't have to live off credits cards to cover incidentals). 'Guys, things can't be bad, we have these amazing things called seatbelts now (invented in 1959)'. |
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| ▲ | megaman821 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Well anything can sound dumb, when you simplify it to something dumb. We have multiple airbags, anti-lock braking, seatbelt pretensioner, collision avoidance, crumple zones, fuel pump automatic shut off, backup cameras, rollover testing, ... Vehicles do an amazing amount of things to keep their occupants alive in a crash. | | |
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| ▲ | insane_dreamer 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| meh. Yes cars are safer now. But this is about affordability. And cars lasted much longer back then and were much easier and cheaper to maintain. You could get second hand cars that would still run for years, and you or a friend could fix them yourself. Drinking and driving has nothing to do with affordability so I don’t know what you’re going on about. |
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| ▲ | FeloniousHam 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > And cars lasted much longer back then and were much easier and cheaper to maintain. I lived through those "amazingly affordable" decades, and while the engines were simpler (if you're driving a '68 Caprice 327 V8 without all those pesky environmental gadgets), no way they were more reliable. What was reliable was oil leaks, and burning oil. My parents popped a bottle of champagne when the station wagon hit 100k miles! 100,000 miles is table stakes for auto reliability these days. My father was a quite capable home mechanic, but most people weren't. I guarantee you cars spent more time in the shop then than now. Go to a car show and compare the interior of anything from this Golden Era to Nissan Versa somebody else mentioned, and tell me you'd take the old thing. I have nostalgia for the decades I grew up in, but it's for the people I loved and simpler life of a child, not the stuff. |
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