| ▲ | karmasimida 3 hours ago |
| > some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. If you present GPT 5.5 to me 2 years ago, I will call it AGI. |
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| ▲ | romaniv 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Some people thought SHRDLU was basically AGI after seeing its demo in 1970. The hype around such systems was so strong that Hubert Dreyfus felt the need to write an entire book arguing against this viewpoint (1972 What Computers Can't Do). All this demonstrates is that we need to be careful with various claims about computer intelligence. |
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| ▲ | AntiUSAbah 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but it was probably stuck at doing that one thing. neural networks are solving huge issues left and right. Googles NN based WEathermodel is so good, you can run it on consumer hardware. Alpha fold solved protein folding. LLMs they can talk to you in a 100 languages, grasp tasks concepts and co. I mean lets talk about what this 'hype' was if we see a clear ceiling appearing and we are 'stuck' with progress but until then, I would keep my judgment for judgmentday. |
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| ▲ | wongarsu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It performs at a usable level across a wide range of tasks. I'm not sure about two years ago, but ten years ago we would have called it an AGI. As opposed to "regular AI" where you have to assemble a training set for your specific problem, then train an AI on it before you can get your answers. Now our idea of what qualifies as AGI has shifted substantially. We keep looking at what we have and decide that that can't possibly be AGI, our definition of AGI must have been wrong |
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| ▲ | sigbottle 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm pretty sure most people take issue with AGI, because we've been raised in culture to believe that AGI is a super entity who is a complete superset of humans and could never ever be wrong about anything. In some sense, this isn't really different than how society was headed anyways? The trend was already going on that more and more sections of the population were getting deemed irrational and you're just stupid/evil for disagreeing with the state. But that reality was still probably at least a century out, without AI. With AI, you have people making that narrative right now. It makes me wonder if these people really even respect humanity at all. Yes, you can prod slippery slope and go from "superintelligent beings exist" to effectively totalitarianism, but you'll find so many bad commitments there. | |
| ▲ | NoMoreNicksLeft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No one who read science fiction in 1955 would call any of the various models we know to be "artificial intelligence". They would be impressed with it, even excited at first that it was that... until they'd had a chance to evaluate it. Science fiction from that era even had the concept of what models are... they'd call it an "oracle". I can think of at least 3 short stories (though remembering the authors just isn't happening for me at the moment). The concept was of a device that could provide correct answers to any question. But these devices had no agency, were dependent on framing the question correctly, and limited in other ways besides (I think in one story, the device might chew on a question for years before providing an answer... mirroring that time around 9am PST when Claude has to keep retrying to send your prompt). We've always known what we meant by artificial intelligence, at least until a few years ago when we started pretending that we didn't. Perhaps the label was poorly chosen (all those decades ago) and could have a better label now (AGI isn't that better label, it's dumber still), but it's what we're stuck with. And we all know what we mean by it. We all almost certainly do not want that artificial intelligence because most of us are certain that it will spell the doom of our species. | |
| ▲ | Der_Einzige 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just don't move the goal posts. AGI was already here the day ChatGPT came out: https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-... |
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| ▲ | staticman2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you didn't call GPT 3.5 AGI I do not believe you when you claim you would have called 5.5 AGI. |
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| ▲ | BloondAndDoom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree with this but they don’t. And that’s the the thing, AGI as they refer is much much much more than what we have, and I don’t know if they are going to ever get there and I’m not sure what’s even there at this point and what will justify their investments. |
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| ▲ | 3form 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ... until you actually, like, use it and find out all the limitations it has. |
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| ▲ | vntok 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is this relevant? Human General Intelligence has a lot of limitations as well and we have managed to do lots. | | |
| ▲ | ifdefdebug 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is like saying that talking about my financial limitations is irrelevant because Jeff Bezos also has financial limitations... |
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| ▲ | BoredPositron 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| GPT 4 was 3 years ago... it's iterative enhancement. |
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| ▲ | freejazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And I've been told my job (litigation attorney) is about to be replaced for over 3 years now, has yet to come close. |
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| ▲ | BloondAndDoom 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | People always over estimate the impact of technology because they dont Understand human aspect of many businesses. Will it eventually replaced or will the shape of these kind of work will be completely different in the future? That’s an easy yes, when is that future? That’s a big unknown, in my experience this kind of stuff takes at least a decade (and possibly more on this case) to make a big impact like replacing all of X. | | |
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| ▲ | freejazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | These models need orders of magnitude in change before they can be more helpful than just a "find me an example of [an extremely basic principle]" which most of the time it does not do right anyway. |
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| ▲ | nromiun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If you present ELIZA to people some will think it is AGI today. There is a reason so many scams happen with technology. It is too easy to fool people. |