Victims are not the ones running red lights, cutting across pedestrian sidewalks/pavements at 20+ mph, going down one-way-streets the wrong way, screaming at pedestrians to get out the way so they don't have to slow down when pedestrians are crossing on a green man etc etc etc.

At least in London the cyclists are absolutely lawless. Yes a lot are injured and some sadly die, but many many many totally ignore the rules (assuming they've even bothered to find out what the rules actually are).

It's only got worse with ebike hire (Lime at al) as people will hop on after drinking, or have never even got a driving license etc so have no actual idea on the rules that car drivers have to prove etc before they're let behind the wheel at all. And when they're done with their lime bike they literally just dump them wherever they're done with it, blocking sidewalks/pavements for everyone.

This antisocial cycling social-ill is very much at a "scourge" stage in London and is getting a lot of press.

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messe 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You've cited one city, anecdotally. Do you have actual evidence for your claims, or are they just anecdotal?

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xscott 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Same behavior in Tucson and Denver. I hate cyclists. They're threatening, break the law, and self entitled. Drivers and walkers seem to get along fine for the most part. The one courtesy cyclists extend to the rest of us is that they self-identify by wearing spandex branded with logos from companies that don't sponsor them - some weird role-play poser fetish I guess.

But be honest - you don't really care about evidence.

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messe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You've cited another two anecdotes. Back up your fucking claim.

> some weird role-play poser fetish I guess.

Really? Do you actually want to argue your point or is negative attention your fetish?

^this kind of argument is not fucking productive.

> But be honest - you don't really care about evidence.

You're the one making an emotional argument here without citing anything.

I don't cycle. I appreciate walkable cities with bike lanes, and live in a country where cyclists respect the law.

I do actually care about evidence. If you would fucking care to cite some.

So CITE YOUR SOURCES.

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xscott 3 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

	▲	messe 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This isn't an example of that. You claimed something in your initial comment. You did not back it up. I'm asking you to back up your initial claim. If you had addressed it you'd have a point, and that would be a correct example of sealioning. But you haven't, so don't accuse me of sealioning. This isn't me arguing in bad faith. This is me asking you to back up the claim you made in your first comment. That's arguing in good faith, if you only you are willing to provide the other side of the argument. Which you have avoided so far.