Honest question, why isn't the line so clear for you?

We're talking about a product built to make people's lives worse while extracting wealth from them that get them addicted as well.

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derangedHorse an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"Built to make people's lives worse" is an opinion. There are people who gamble without getting addicted and treat it as good fun. Why shouldn't I be able to bet a small amount on a team I like in Fantasy Football? I've never gambled more than I could afford to lose nor have I felt the need to do it habitually. I get that there are some people who are not like me, but you seem to think that there are only people who are not like me that use these types of services.

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embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We're talking about a product built to make people's lives worse while extracting wealth from them that get them addicted as well.

That's most of the products being sold today, you think the most for-profit companies sell things and services in order to improve the world? They're selling stuff because they want to make money, if they can make someone addicted + extract wealth from them, then in their world that's a no-brainer.

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malfist 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> That's most of the products being sold today

That's just not true at all. The fruit I buy is designed to make my life worse? The vacuum cleaner? The lawn mower? The workout equipment? The standing desk for my office? The clothing I buy?

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embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, literally all those things are decreasing in quality because the companies producing and selling these want higher margins. Have you not noticed the sharp drop in quality and durability in made stuff compared to 20-30 years ago? Almost all those things are worse and lasts less today than they used to.

	▲	Edman274 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Do you feel and have the subjective experience of feeling like you're arguing in good faith right now?
	▲	bombcar 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		There's some cases where that may be true, but they listed a few: * fruit - I can get any fruit anytime in the year, and it seems fine * vacuum cleaner - my Miele is still running ten years later and still available new * The lawn mower - the M18 mower cuts great and uses no gas and just works - much better than the previous PoS * workout equipment - I don't have much here, but my rowing machine is still going strong * standing desk - the uplift desk seems quite good quality * clothing - this might be the only one, but even the walmart crap I get is better than the walmart crap from a decade ago

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jmkd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Okay sounds like we agree that sugar and junk food should be on the wrong side of the line, but turns out those industries have very little stigma. Who is standing outside the school gates protesting against big cola? My point is it's complicated, ambiguous, sometimes hypocritical, differs by jurisdiction and so on. None of it is clear.

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darkwater 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Half of the list by GP shares these same characteristics, unfortunately. The only one that is slowly - but not even steadily - going towards the same stigma is tobacco.

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egorfine 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The majority of food sold in the US satisfies the criteria you have laid out here.

Is the line still clear?

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		My neighbor got robbed the other day walking home from work. That means it's okay for me to rob them too, right?

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