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looksjjhg 2 days ago

That’s hilarious … so he’s arrested and put on trial and all the senate and congress are doing the exact same and free? lol

wraptile 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

At this point insider trading issue has run away so hard I don't see how it can be tamed without revolutionary frameworks. If we look at crypto then I'm not sure we want to live in a world where insider trading is normalized either so we ought to start working on these new frameworks as soon as possible but nobody seems to care.

PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Just ban gambling. That solves good part of it.

Then ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS. That solves good part of it.

Talking about any other solutions will have to wait for govt that's not crooked. It doesn't need revolution, it needs to not have criminals at helm

theptip 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Rather than banning gambling I think you need to ban congress critters from trading. Polymarket is a quick and anonymize way of making long bets on your inside information.

But there are plenty of other stock-based bets they already do make to trade on confidential info.

They should be allowed to hold an ETF with fully locked contribution schedules. Anything more is corruptible.

(Also, if congress critters’ wealth was coupled to the index instead of specific interests, maybe we’d get less pork overall.)

triceratops 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ban gambling advertising. Ban online gambling. It will solve a lot of the issues without allowing criminals to profit from illegal gambling.

monooso 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm a little confused by your comment.

Insider trading is already illegal (this case proves it). If the problem is under-enforcement, then I agree that better enforcement is the fix.

Banning gambling is a completely separate intervention addressing a different activity, and clearly wasn't required to bring charges in this case.

The tendency of governments to create new laws instead of enforcing existing ones is how we end up with absurdly complex legal systems and the loopholes that come with them.

wraptile 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I think OP's point is that gambling creates so many additional incentives that it overloads the system and we can restore it by just banning gambling.

Personally I think the system shouldn't be so easily overloaded.

criddell 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How would you define gambling? Would it make trading stocks illegal?

triceratops 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Lots of countries have managed to legally define gambling and ban it without making stock trading illegal. Even the US. This isn't some gotcha.

epistasis 2 days ago | parent [-]

That would require a functioning legislative branch that could pass laws. However a major political program of the past decades has been to gum up Congress and prevent its functioning. There's very limited bandwidth to accomplish legislation, and there's hundreds of good fixes that can't fit through, so I doubt the US will be able to fix this anytime soon, unless there's bigger scandal.

hrimfaxi 2 days ago | parent [-]

This would make sense if Congress never passed laws. They can and routinely do. That they don't limit their behavior is unsurprising.

epistasis 2 days ago | parent [-]

The passage of some laws is completely consistent with my description of a dysfunctional system that can not get many good reforms through.

Getting some bills passed does not equate to adequate legislative capacity.

Tangurena2 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If it is based on chance, then it is gambling.

Until the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, Collateral Debt Obligations were regulated differently in different states. Some said it was insurance, and thus regulated it like insurance. Some said it was gambling and banned it outright. Instead, regulation was handed to a toothless new agency who got little funding for enforcement and the rest of the world got the 2008 financial crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernizatio...

criddell 2 days ago | parent [-]

> If it is based on chance, then it is gambling.

Is there much difference between picking a horse at the track or a stock on an exchange?

sleepybrett 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Just ban gambling. That solves good part of it.

does that include the stock exchange?

joquarky 2 days ago | parent [-]

I think a good compromise there is to get rid of shorting.

And tax capital gains at a rate inversely proportional to how long the shares were held. E.g., 90% if held less than a second, 10% if held over 10 years.

interestpiqued 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

What if I’m a farmer who wants to short whatever commodity I grow as a hedge.

sleepybrett 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

what makes 'shorting' special? I understand what shorting is from a non-market-junkie point of view (essentially betting that a stock will go down).. is that just more 'gameable' than buying stock.. i guess i don't see the difference between 'i bet this will go up' and 'i bet this will go down' it's still a bet.

dysoco 2 days ago | parent [-]

I assume it must be much easier to modify the market to make a stock price go down (e.g. hack the CEO account to say something silly/dangerous) vs trying to make the stock price go up.

hrimfaxi 2 days ago | parent [-]

You could hack the CEO account to say something positive, too though.

nandomrumber 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> without revolutionary frameworks

I’d argue that the level of corruption we’re seeing, not just in the USA but all over the Western world, hasn’t risen to a level that warrants revolutionary action.

> nobody seems to care

And it would seem that the masses tend to agree.

We are much much better off tolerating this level of corruption than we would be attempting a revolution.

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how fat the fat cats are so long as the general population’s standard of living doesn't go backwards too far too fast.

rbanffy 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> hasn’t risen to a level that warrants revolutionary action.

A certain amount of corruption is normal - as Doctorow pointed out, all complex ecosystems evolve parasites. It's much better to have a democracy with some corruption than a police state that enforces its laws perfectly.

Now, when people realise the current state of their democracy and how it reflects the needs of the people, then they'll start considering bringing out the guillotines.

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I’d argue that the level of corruption we’re seeing, not just in the USA but all over the Western world, hasn’t risen to a level that warrants revolutionary action.

What level of corruption would warrant revolutionary action? How much more corrupt can you get than sending forces into combat in a war of choice that disrupts the global economy and kills thousands to win a bet on a crypto platform and shift the news cycle away from accusations of rampant pedophilia among the elite and the lack of prosecution thereof?

delecti 2 days ago | parent [-]

I doubt they did it for the purpose of crypto bets, that was just a side benefit. They did it because Israel owns our government, and this is the first time we've had a president far enough out of touch with reality to not push back.

Age limits (for Congress/Judiciary/Presidency) would be a much more targeted fix. Past ~75 you just don't have enough years left to be at risk of being affected by the things you're implementing. Dying in office of old age should be a deeply shameful way to go.

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> They did it because Israel owns our government

Yeah I don't really see how that is an argument that current corruption isn't too extreme.

> Age limits (for Congress/Judiciary/Presidency) would be a much more targeted fix.

Would it? There are plenty of corrupt people in office younger than 75, to say nothing of the countless unelected people in close proximity to power. Only 42 out of 535 members of congress are over 75. On the supreme court, Alito only turned 76 3 weeks ago, and the only other justice over that threshold is Thomas who is 77. Trump was under 75 for his entire first term. Biden, Trump, and Reagan are the only presidents who have ever been in office over the age of 75. Such an age limit would do basically nothing to change the composition of government. While there may be compelling reasons for such an age limit like ensuring mental acuity, it is not a remedy for corruption.

delecti a day ago | parent [-]

I wasn't saying that age limits would fix all, or even the most important problems. I'm just saying that we're only at war with Iran because Trump's dementia is leaving him disconnected from reality.

rabidonrails 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Israel owns out government? You have proof of this outlandish claim?

joquarky 2 days ago | parent [-]

I'm trying to determine the causal basis for this and given the ubiquity of evidence, I can only conclude that it must be sea lioning.

harimau777 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The general population's standard of living HAS gone backwards too fast.

Just look at something like Office Space. Just twenty seven years ago, it was a satire of the indignities and disrespect of work life. Today, the movie's work environment would be incredibly cushy.

close04 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We are much much better off tolerating this level of corruption than we would be attempting a revolution.

We, today, are better not attempting revolution because revolutions are painful. But we are also on a downward slope which will eventually reach below a threshold where 2 things happen: their* life will be much worse off than any revolution, but also they will no longer be able to mount a revolution.

I've lived through a violent revolution. Not knowing what's happening, not knowing what tomorrow brings, while getting shot at are all terrifying. I can genuinely say that most of what came after was better. A few paid a high price for the several generations that came after to mostly have it better.

I am not advocating revolution, just doing what it takes to change course. Even voting appropriately could do it.

*I say they because it might not happen in our lifetime. But we are selling our kids' futures for our current comfort. They'll be the ones really paying our debt.

psychoslave 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>We are much much better off tolerating this level of corruption than we would be attempting a revolution.

There is no we to prevent any revolution occurring once corruption or "mere" wealth distribution unsustainable discrepancy are passing some thresholds, after which it simply will feedbackloop exponentially.

Pauperization that allows some party to have chip exploitable labour too frightened to have strong collective claims is also building the social structure of bloody revolution as masses feel like rushing into brutality is the only viable left option.

hfhc6s 2 days ago | parent [-]

Thresholds by themselves dont auto trigger some state change because the state is aware of them too.

The police and intelligence are well paid to keep an eye on all kinds of signals. Unless the situation reaches a point they cant pay the cops any voilence will be shut down fast, because over time they have become quite good at it. Just like we have become good at running gigantic boilers without them exploding. Even poor states are good at it. Because anyone running a farm, factory, depending on banks, telcos, ports, power grid etc are all very dependent on the state to keep the lights on. More efficent they get the more dependent they are on external structures staying in tact to stay afloat.

The world today is a much more complicated place, full of interdependcies(as covid showed us), than what it was when revolutions were seen as the solution to anything.

So Organizing and Voting still remains the easier way to cause change as tempratures rise. Thats the control and feedback mech.

joquarky 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Protests have already been mitigated by tactics researched and documented among the most authoritarian think tanks.

Believe it or not, wealthy people plan ahead to protect their hoard and they have had several decades since Gandhi to figure out how to neuter peaceful protests that threaten their status.

harimau777 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Except that organizing and voting doesn't actually accomplish anything.

ashtonshears 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sad that you have given up

Pay08 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Sad that you want a return to the Reign of Terror.

rithdmc 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Why do people assume revolutionary action must be violent? Emmeline Pankhurst will want to have words with them.

Pay08 2 days ago | parent [-]

Have you seen people?

rithdmc 2 days ago | parent [-]

> You really need to read up on your history.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47888542

Pay08 2 days ago | parent [-]

The suffragette movement was hardly a revolution in the traditional sense.

rithdmc 2 days ago | parent [-]

Giving so many people the ability to vote was absolutely a fundamental shift in the social, political, or societal order, so is absolutely a traditional revolution. This is just the 'no true scotsman' argument.

ashtonshears 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dont defend accepting corruption, thats so lame

ashtonshears 2 days ago | parent [-]

But, being more respectful to you and who i orignally replied to — yes actual revolution could/would be brutal and could/would create a much worse daily life for the non-elites.

Still, as I bet you could agree when not aguing semantics, its inexusable for people to declare we should accept corruption

jjk166 2 days ago | parent [-]

> yes actual revolution would be brutal, and could/would create a much worse daily life for the non-elites.

50% of revolutions in the past 200 years have been non-violent, and the non-violent ones have a much higher success rate. Even for violent revolutions, most aren't brutal. When there is brutality, it's usually because the pre-existing conditions were already brutal.

Pay08 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That comes with the caveat that most revolutions happen against failed states. Those pretty much don't get the chance to be violent.

jjk166 2 days ago | parent [-]

There's not much reason to replace good functioning governments. There are some examples, although typically they are foreign-backed regime changes masquerading as revolutions.

Pay08 a day ago | parent [-]

Good and functioning are not the same thing. Look at North Korea. It's definitely not a failed state, but it's also about as far away from a "good" government as you can get.

For most revolutions, the state needs to be unable to maintain control over it's populace. The ones where it can still maintain control is where it gets bloody.

ashtonshears 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I appreciate that info

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Return? We never had a reign of terror. There have been hundreds of peaceful revolutions.

Pay08 2 days ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

NoGravitas 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” ― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I am familiar with the Reign of Terror, which gets capitalized because of it's singular uniqueness, but I am also not an 18th century French peasant, or a Frenchman at all for that matter. I doubt most of the people on this thread are either. When I say "we" I am referring to an immensely large group of people for whom "the revolution" refers to an event which did not include a reign of terror.

guzfip 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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harimau777 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's your alternative? The present situation is intollerable and even a bad solution is better than no solution.

Pay08 2 days ago | parent [-]

The present situation is very tolerable, actually.

NoGravitas 2 days ago | parent [-]

For you.

goreeStef 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes we should just calmly ignore private insurance death panels, propped up by politicians, killing treatable people at scale rather than put the fear in a few thousand rich people physics didn't see fit to spare from eventual biological death anyway (since they love to trot out that argument).

To say nothing of the processed food and automobile industries.

Pay08 2 days ago | parent [-]

You really need to read up on your history.

goreeStef 2 days ago | parent [-]

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fzeroracer 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how fat the fat cats are so long as the general population’s standard of living doesn't go backwards too far too fast.

Well, given that people are behaving more and more violently towards said fat cats I think it's clear we're starting to reach a breaking point and people are caring. It wasn't too long ago that I saw people cheering on LinkedIn when that healthcare CEO got got, so if people are willing to put their professional profiles at risk you have to imagine it's far worse behind closed doors.

Personally I really dislike living in interesting times and greatly prefer advocating against corruption rather than letting things slide until they get a lot worse.

chaostheory 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s until food and energy price increases become unbearable for the masses. While the first test is already here with gas prices, we’ll have the second test soon in the form of 50% price increases on food in developed Western countries.

nandomrumber 2 days ago | parent [-]

Where is the evidence that petrol prices are unbearable, by the metric you’re proposing.

kdheiwns 2 days ago | parent [-]

In some places, like the Philippines, gas/fuel prices are up 70-100% since the start of the Special Four Day Operation in Iran. It's easy to say "who cares doesn't affect me", which sounds nice. But the Philippines is a major manufacturing hub of stuff that keeps life artificially cheap in the west. The rest of SE Asia is undergoing similar rapid price increases. Thailand, Malaysia, etc make lots of electronic components which will be facing a huge squeeze very soon.

The reason for those price increases is those countries don't have massive fuel stockpiles. The west does have big stockpiles, and they're artificially suppressing the price of fuel by releasing those stockpiles and hoping the special operation is over before their stockpiles run out. Because if prices shoot up now, people will realize just how truly disastrous it all is and actual consequences for various governments may be had, so the only option is to kick the can down the road and hope it somehow resolves itself.

Asia is in a particularly bad situation, because even for countries that do have stockpiles, they get basically all of their oil from Iran, the UAE, east coast of Saudi Arabia, etc. Now they have no oil. America can pretend it's a 4D chess move and now those countries will buy American oil and make their economy great again. But the thing is America isn't selling any additional oil to Asia. But America is 100% dependent on cheap things made in Asia, things that are built with plastic made from middle eastern oil and powered by electricity generated from middle eastern oil and shipped on boats running on middle eastern oil. All these things take months to show any effects to Americans and Europeans, so until then, it's just a game of burying heads in the sand until the situation suddenly explodes.

bonesss 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

For a lot of us this perturbation hurts portfolios, tightens the belt, and hurts business investments… But oil and food production are tied together in numerous ways.

We’re looking at fuel shocks, downstream the agricultural, fertilizer, and food shocks are gonna cost untold anguish and many lives. Farmer suicides and famines, as the start of a destabilizing wave.

1) for the second time in my adult life I have to ask aloud how shit Dick Cheney was saying on 60 minutes ca 1993 escaped the notice of the entire US military and its commander in chief

2) the obvious lack of a post-strike plan and confusion about how mountains and waterways work make it hard to pin down how elementary and remedial the eff-ups here really are, so incompetent and indifferent

gzread 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Why don't Asian countries just ally with Iran for free passage of their ships?

eptcyka 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So a slow decline is OK?

Nah, life would be better if a cleptocrat couldn’t find his way into power.

rjzzleep 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It was slow for 30 years, the last couple of years have been insane.

I'd say that either way the population will not rebel. If the government is smart they'll just pay for the populations Netflix, burgers and beer. It's enough to keep people passive.

scottyah 2 days ago | parent [-]

Weed is the ultimate double edged sword- it pacifies much better than beer, but also the GDP and standard of living plummets.

lazide 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Slow?

joquarky 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the general population’s standard of living doesn't go backwards too far too fast.

Too late for that hypothetical.

Aunche 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

MAGA propaganda is so effective that it got those who never believed in the economic utility of the stock market to begin with to call for revolution to preserve the integrity of the market.

The cost of insider trading mostly get passed to the rich. The reason why insider trading is illegal isn't that it's particularly morally wrong as much as it disincentivizes participation in the markets.

andrepd 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how fat the fat cats are so long as the general population’s standard of living doesn't go backwards too far too fast.

Worker's compensation in real terms has been almost flat for the last 50 years, 50 years which have seen the largest increase in productivity in recorded history by far. I'm surprised this is still not enough to you.

gzread 2 days ago | parent [-]

And that's using the fake, government approved definition of "real wages" where they pretend the existence of smartphones cancels out a 200% increase in rent, which it doesn't. Real real wages have declined.

cucumber3732842 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think they meant revolutionary as in new and novel

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lava_pidgeon 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How is inside training outside of US s thing? Please give dpurces

rbanffy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but nobody seems to care.

Very few people feel impacted by that. If you consider bombing Iran was going to happen anyway because distractions are needed, the money made by the whale that consistently predicts the movements of the current administration is a relatively small thing compared to starting a war for no good reason.

One possible solution is to make all trades public and traceable to the person who made the decision and the people who benefit from that.

jorvi 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interestingly enough, trading and gambling are things that a blockchain is a pretty good fit for. There is a public ledger and trace of ownership for the trades / lays. And depending on how it is set up, payout is autonomous, as long as no one party controls the network.

ImHereToVote 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Speculation has historically been solved by a workers vanguard party.

grey-area 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It can be solved by enforcing the laws already on the books. Insider trading is illegal.

If the laws are not enforced or selectively enforced you live in a nascent fascist state, not a democracy, what you need is a return to the rule of law, not the abolition of it.

harimau777 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't think anyone who has been paying attention over the last year could conclude that laws are not being selectively enforced. So I guess the next question is what options provide a realistic way of restoring justice.

sixsevenrot 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You're wrong.

It's just that the problem is not the trading or betting side, the problem is the information producing side.

E.g. imagine he placed a bet that Maduro would get shot in is left eye and die.

Same goes for the congress. Them making money is by far a smaller issue compared to the havoc they can cause trying to make a few bucks on their crazy bets.

dan-robertson 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I actually don’t know the details of the specific crimes. Eg if you’re a soldier and you post on Facebook that you’re about to go on a raid to depose a head of state, that’s presumably a secrecy violation you would be punished severely for. The insider trading can be like this too in that you’re improperly using the information you are privy to due to your being an insider. If you’re a congressperson and you tweet that the government is about to do such a raid, I don’t know what the legality of that is – perhaps you have some kind of privilege to reveal these things and any censure must happen politically (eg impeachment, losing elections, etc) rather than legally. I don’t know what the rules for insider trading would then be – legislators are not insiders in the way that soldiers are.

Ignoring the moral argument, it isn’t all that clear to me that this would actually be a crime for a legislator under US securities law. It may be that new laws would be required to be able to punish legislators for this kind of behaviour.

a_victorp 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

He was charged with "unlawful use of confidential government information for personal gain, theft of non-public government information, commodities fraud, wire fraud, and making an unlawful monetary transaction.". Supposedly, unlawful use of government confidential information could also be applied to legislative and other people in the government

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Tangurena2 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Congress sometimes includes an exemption for themselves from some crimes. Others are excused by the Constitution:

> The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Explanation:

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S6-C1-2/...

As for insider trading:

> The law prohibits the use of non-public information for private profit, including insider trading, by members of Congress and other government employees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act

giantg2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did congress do it with classified ops data, or with their voting stuff?

The main difference between the two is that betting on the date of a classified op indirectly reveals classified data that can tip off an adversary and cost lives.

Bender 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there a specific case of someone in congress disclosing classified information by betting on it that we can link to?

sdoering 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Already known to the classic Roman people:

"Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" [1]

[1]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_licet_Iovi,_non_licet_bov...

triage8004 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not legal for him, but it is for them.

nandomrumber 2 days ago | parent [-]

That’s not it.

It’s that there isn’t an Attorney General who would dare attempt raise a case against the hand that feeds them.

pjio 2 days ago | parent [-]

In theory the separation of powers should prevent this.

pjc50 2 days ago | parent [-]

What does separation of powers mean when both houses, the president, and the Supreme Court are controlled by the same party?

At the moment the US is just Big Poland (PiS era).

pjio 2 days ago | parent [-]

I meant the separation of powers between the executive, legislative and judicial branches. Maybe this is more of a thing in Europe, even if not perfect here.

pjc50 2 days ago | parent [-]

There's no separation of powers when they're all run by the same party, is my point.

pbkompasz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I like how when people talk about corruption they think about Nancy Pelosi or some other congressman/senator making couple million $ on the stock market over their entire careers due to insider trading. Just last week Trump made a bet of around $1B on the price of oil going down before doing a fake announcement.

andrepd 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I too wonder why "Nancy Pelosi" has become basically synonymous with Congress insider trading when she's not even close to the top of the list among congresspeople.

Arkhaine_kupo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You really need to wonder?

The 10 best performing historical congress people stocks are all republican,a ll men, all funded by lobbys like heritage foundation...

But the face of insider trading becomes a democrat and a woman

Its sooo diffcult to guess why it happened

codemog 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You’re going to make this a gender and party issue huh? Surprised skin color wasn’t brought up too. Yep, we deserve what we get.

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Arkhaine_kupo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What other reason is there for an otherwise unremarkable character to become the public face of the issue for years?

Chuck Schumer is the whip of the party, as mentioned she isnt even top 10 in performance, her party didnt legalise the activity, other members are aggresive in their pursuit of insider trading information (MTG was part of the most committees during her tenure, but she skipped almost all votes after that, she just wanted the scoop adn then bolted) ...

So why her?

The most common excuse is "well people demand more of dems because everyone knows republicans are crooks", which doesnt explain why more senior leaders, ex presidents etc are the ones hounded instead of her.

how ever surveys by lobbys like the ones owned by the Koch brothers show which politicians people find unlikeable. Unsurprsingly many are unremarkable women, just like Nancy, which makes them easy targets for public campaigns in favour or against.

If you name the most talked about politicans of the past 20 years, outside of the pres (Obama, Biden, Trump) you get mostly women (Sarah Palin, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, MTG, Kristi Noem, Laurent Bobert) that is not a coincidence and it explains why no one could pick Schumer, who is senior leadership, in a police line up but can tell you the many dogs Kristi killed

andrepd a day ago | parent [-]

This are exactly the sort of facts the hn crowd hates but which they can't rebuke.

8954789543547 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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koolba 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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diabeetusman 2 days ago | parent [-]

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

WarmWash 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because of the Nvidia trade just before the CHIPS act passed.

Which is ridiculous because the entire thing was largely fabricated by the media for those juicy clicks. It was a "half truth" story that hinged on the public's general ignorance of derivatives trading.

While she acquired Nvdia shares days before the bill passed, it was entirely coincidental, because she had put in for those shares over a year prior. Craziest of all, which the media would never fucking say, is that she lost money on the trade.

Nancy Pelosi's most infamous insider trade is one she lost money on. It's one of the core stories I use as an example of how shamelessly misleading the media is. Destroying the country for ad views.

mrguyorama 2 days ago | parent [-]

>Destroying the country for ad views.

Not for ad views. Fox News does it demonstrably for political purposes, and the "Clinton News Network" has been bought and now joins them.

Bezos didn't buy a popular newspaper for a little extra money. Twitter doesn't work the way it does for profitability purposes.

SlinkyOnStairs 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sexism will play a role, but a big part of the reason why Pelosi gets so much flak is that she did nothing to stop it when the democrats were in charge, thus directly paving the way to the current shitshow.

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xienze 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I like how when people talk about corruption they think about Nancy Pelosi or some other congressman/senator making couple million $ on the stock market over their entire careers due to insider trading

So, two things. First, she's made quite a bit more than a few million dollars. Second, she's been an example of being a "suspiciously good trader" for years and years and years. Has anything happened to her? Republicans talk about her and do nothing about it. Democrats say it's a conspiracy theory. The behavior has quite clearly been normalized.

markus_zhang 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think corruption happens long ago before Trump. I’m thinking more on the inequality of wealth and how a smaller percentage of people takes a bigger share of the wealth since I don’t know when. Trump is in fact the symptom of that corruption and part of the reason people elected him. But he definitely makes it worse especially in his second presidency.

Nowadays super riches run the show and even the illusion of democracy is gone.

Another thought: many political elites are probably waiting and pushing for Trump to fail to take over. It is us who are going to suffer.

IncreasePosts 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's absolutely zero evidence Trump was behind those oil trades.

lazide 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Nancy pelosi’s net worth is around a quarter billion dollars, most of it attributable to insider trading.

hypeatei 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only reason we know about the trades in Congress is because they're following the law and reporting them. I don't think there is any evidence that members of Congress: 1) have access to classified info like this, and 2) are betting on polymarket.

That's not to say the behavior isn't extremely slimey but they are acting within the law. Your comment doesn't mention the executive branch and the various crypto "ventures" going on, like the Whitehouse dinner for investors of $TRUMP coin of which we have no idea who invested or what they got from it.

bko 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If Nancy can get some stock for cheap prior to landing a big government contract, that's not the same as a solider possibly tipping the hand of a delicate military operation.

No one likes insider trading especially when it's done by politicians, but let's not pretend they're the same

balex 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sounds exactly the same to me. Maybe it's you who's pretending?

yacthing 2 days ago | parent [-]

No one is dying when Pelosi insider trades.

balex a day ago | parent [-]

And who dies when GI Joe bets on the the date of an operation?

And if nobody dies, is it okay?

kilroy123 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Classic Anacyclosis in action. The same things happened in Ancient Rome right before the Republic fell.

https://anacyclosis.info

vagab0nd 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Think about it. He's stealing from the US military. The politicians are stealing from you. Who's laughing now?

jameshart 2 days ago | parent [-]

Technically this is stealing from the people who bet against the Maduro raid happening; and it’s cheating because we assume those people taking that side of the bet weren’t privy to the planning.

He’s only stealing from the US military if the DoD is taking the other side of prop bets on US military operations on polymarket. Which… I mean maybe it’s a reasonable insurance strategy? US military bets that they’re gonna screw up a raid on Venezuela, then either everything goes well and they end up with a successful operation, or it all goes to hell and they wind up winning a consolation cash prize. Hedging operational success by taking the over on casualty estimates… dark.

darksaints 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They have to put on a show to hide the fact that the corruption is coming from the top.

brandonmenc 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, the military have fewer rights than civilians. That's a feature.

soledades 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My first thought as well, but you can imagine how dangerous it would be if special forces started tanking their performance due to betting market considerations.

Frieren 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only aristocrats can play that game. The soldier is being punished for doing something not allowed for his class status.

This is how a caste system works. People is not judged based on their actions but their relationship to power.

samsari 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You're almost right, but "class" and "caste" are not synonyms and cannot be used interchangeably.

rob74 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Well, as social mobility between classes becomes increasingly difficult, they become more and more like castes...

21asdffdsa12 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You can already hear the pseudo-theories, justifying the differences for eternity. Blue blooded, of lazy blood, etc. Apply yourselfs and you will win.. adding insult to injury, when you can not win, you must in addition be lazy with only yourself to blame.

darepublic 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it's really as simple as that.

Source: lazybones

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baxtr 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OP is right. Status games take many shapes, distinct castes is one special shape.

Dylan16807 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Being in Congress is very mobile, and they're the ones with the special exemption.

alistairSH 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except in the United States it is true. Something like 80% of new military recruits come from military families (parent, sibling, uncle/aunt, or grandparent).

Similarly over the last few decades the number of medical doctors who have immediate family who are also doctors has grown.

Social and economic class in the US is increasingly set in stone and hereditary.

mothballed 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Medical schools require a lot of volunteering and things like 'slinging hot dogs to pay tuition' don't count unless you grew up without clothes surviving on rabid dogs in the holler of W Virginia working the coal mines from age 8. We all know who has time to volunteer or do minimum wage healthcare instead of work the best paying shitty side job they can get: the rich.

It's set up heavily tilted so you have to be rich, or dirt poor enough for a sob story, or a desired minority. Even if you do volunteer a lot and are middle class, you probably didnt know anyone that could help you into the most prestigious positions. A middle class person of equal aptitude would likely go into something like engineering or law which have fewer class-signalling non-academic purity tests.

alistairSH 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That gating on medical training has always been there (at least for 40 years, if not more). But the number of doctors from doctor families has increased.

And just generally, socioeconomic mobility has decreased in the US across the population.

mothballed 2 days ago | parent [-]

Always been gated. But the slider has been dragged even further in the purity test direction. The intelligent un-pure now tend to become NP or PA, those programs still let you practice independently and slide more towards academics and less at whether a rich person set you up to be taken care of while you play mother Teresa until the switch flips the day you are accepted.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Medical schools require a lot of volunteering

But...why? Why not just let in the applicants that have the best grades?

Plasmoid 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Because there are so many applicants that have good grades.

A more cynical view is that the governing boards want a way to pick and choose who they let in. So they create "holistic" application systems to get "360 degree view of the candidate".

waterhouse 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

No matter how many have good grades, you can always pick the top n by grades—unless there's a ceiling that the top m > n have all hit. Which, if you're talking about "grades" as in GPA, is plausible.

MCAT seems more relevant, though. According to Claude: "Roughly 0.1% or fewer of test-takers score a perfect 528 in any given year — typically only a few dozen individuals out of the ~120,000 or so who sit for the exam annually." So it should work fairly well for them to sort by MCAT and take however many they have (or expect to have) room for.

ryandrake 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think OP's point was that the governing boards don't want the people with the top n grades. They want certain people, and by making the admissions criteria fuzzy, they can pick and choose those certain people and then say "well, our admission criteria is subjective," and "we are looking for 'well rounded people," and all kinds of other vague weasely ways to let them legitimately shape the student body in the way they want.

See also: "Cultural fit" when hiring.

BobBagwill 2 days ago | parent [-]

One of my roommates who was premed had a "hot car" poster as a motivational study aid. After a short term as a candy striper at a local hospital, he changed majors. The system works! ;-)

oivey 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At a certain point, grades become arbitrary and won’t necessarily select for the best candidates. Obviously the current system doesn’t, either.

The actual solution is to increase the number of slots for training doctors to match the huge number of qualified applicants. It makes even more sense given that there is a shortage of doctors and health care costs are astronomical.

andrew_lettuce 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I want a doctor who was a strong student with diverse experiences, lots of soft skills and can handle the entire psychological spectrum of being a doctor, not the doctor who was solely the best at exams.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent [-]

There are all kinds of doctors though? The ones who don't have soft skills or diverse experiences can go into pathology or other fields that don't involve as much patient interaction. Why lose out on their gifts altogether if they're genuinely interested in medicine.

jjmarr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> No matter how many have good grades, you can always pick the top n by grades. Which, if you're talking about "grades" as in GPA, is plausible.

I live in Ontario and we're there. 40% of Waterloo students had above a 95% average in high school. The average GPA to get into UofT med school is 3.94/4.00 GPA.

What has happened as a result is students killing themselves and each other. If you fail one test in any course, you cannot move to the next level.

So, if you go on the UofT subreddit there's endless stories of pre-med students sabotaging each other. Faking friendliness, destroying notes, etc etc. This is arguably rational because the pool is small and there's little to gain by studying harder if you already have a perfect GPA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/1sbu811/had_no_idea_t...

You don't want this type of person as a doctor. They will sabotage others because that is how they got ahead in the past. In a medical environment that kills people.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Too many kids want to be doctors and have the grades for it? That's an opportunity, not a problem.

Training more doctors is just never an option for some reason.

Don't build systems that reward amoral psychopaths.

jjmarr 2 days ago | parent [-]

We've opened a new med school after a decade of planning. 1.5% acceptance rate.

waterhouse a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> This is arguably rational because the pool is small and there's little to gain by studying harder if you already have a perfect GPA.

So there is a low ceiling, and if they instead used MCAT or something with a higher ceiling (where, apparently, the number of perfect scores is about 50 per year—in America, presumably lower in Canada due to population size), then studying harder would benefit them. That seems like a much better outlet for competitive urges.

But also, how small is the pool of qualified applicants? If there were something like "they're going to take n people from your school, at which there are 30 plausible candidates", then sabotaging one might conceivably be worthwhile. But if the pool is—well, Google says 3,000 medical students get accepted each year in Canada (and the qualified applicant pool is presumably at least somewhat larger), and sabotaging one person is extremely unlikely to help you personally. (This is one case where it's good that the expected-value "benefits", of sabotaging person X, are widely distributed among thousands of medical candidates, and thus it's a "free-rider problem" where no individual candidate has a strong motivation to do the work.)

Is there some multi-stage thing where they pick 10 people from each high school, or 30 from a town, or something? Or is there major grading on a curve, or a big benefit for being the top person in your classroom of 15? That seems like how you would get real incentives for this backstabbing behavior. Otherwise, I can't see how it's rational (even to a complete sociopath), and would have to chalk it up to individual miscreants and possibly some kind of culture that encourages it in other ways.

jjmarr 21 hours ago | parent [-]

> Or is there major grading on a curve, or a big benefit for being the top person in your classroom of 15?

Yes. UofT even has "down curves" where your mark is lowered to ensure the correct distribution.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Because there are so many applicants that have good grades.

So train more doctors.

waterhouse 2 days ago | parent [-]

That would increase competition and thus depress wages for existing doctors, who are the ones who make the decisions here. I heard, from a medical school attendee, that she overheard some doctors discussing whether it would be a good idea to require a fifth year of medical school to become a general practitioner (luckily, they were like, "Eh... nah"). It did not seem like it bothered them that this would make it even harder for civilians to get medical care.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent [-]

I thought lawmakers made the decisions. Silly me! :-D

waterhouse 2 days ago | parent [-]

Theoretically yes. But I think at least part of the decision they've made is to delegate a chunk of the decisionmaking to doctors' guilds. Which—on the one hand, they are experts of a sort, but on the other hand, they have an obvious conflict of interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Medical_Association#R...

Wow. 1997: https://www.baltimoresun.com/1997/03/01/ama-seeks-limit-on-r...

> “The United States is on the verge of a serious oversupply of physicians,” the AMA and five other medical groups said in a joint statement. “The current rate of physician supply — the number of physicians entering the work force each year — is clearly excessive.”

> The groups, representing a large segment of the medical establishment, proposed limits on the number of doctors who become residents each year.

> The number of medical residents, now 25,000, should be much lower, the groups said. While they did not endorse a specific number, they suggested that 18,700 might be appropriate.

triceratops 2 days ago | parent [-]

I've read about that before. I personally am of the belief that Medicare funding for residency slots should be eliminated over time. Also freely allow the opening and expansion of medical schools and teaching hospitals. Over time things should settle into a comfortable equilibrium of enough doctors making decent wages for everyone to be treated at a reasonable cost.

But maybe that's a free market fantasy. Who knows.

Or the alternative. Government-owned everything healthcare - facilities, hospitals, med schools, doctor practices. Doctors only work for the government.

The current system is neither here nor there and is designed for maximum profit.

vel0city 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Because there are so many applicants that have good grades.

Sounds like we need more spots for these people to go

andrew_lettuce 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Because everybody has the same gamified, inflated high grades

Sir_Twist 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder how much of this has to do with seeing someone you are close to work as a doctor makes being a doctor (or military recruit, SWE, etc.) seem real and achievable to you. When I was little I wanted to be a firefighter purely because my father was a firefighter; it wouldn’t surprise me if the same goes for a lot of other people.

mothballed 2 days ago | parent [-]

I can't prove it, but I've heard more than one story of those with relatives in the military managing to get someone to pull rank and put them on better and upwards promoting assignments.

gedy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Joining Military isn't really a "class" thing - unless you mean lower income people join the military more often to get started in life.

Military academies are more of a upper class thing though.

ok_dad 2 days ago | parent [-]

Military academies are not upper class at all, mostly middle class folks. Officers are generally of the same stock as any other white collar job in engineering, law, business, etc.

majormajor 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>(parent, sibling, uncle/aunt, or grandparent)

That's a pretty wide net. What percentage of the total population has a military connection in that many degrees?

alistairSH 2 days ago | parent [-]

Obv not a great sample, but within my peer group, none have parents or siblings. I have an uncle. Grandparent is a weird one - for anybody born in the 70s as I was, it’s almost a given to have a grandparent or four who served. Being European, all of mine served at the tail end of WWII or immediate aftermath.

pmc123 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I've noticed the same trend with SWEs tbh. Many new grads from the top schools have parents who were SWEs or SWE adjaent

red-iron-pine 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

not necessarily SWE but definitely engineering / STEM pedigrees.

e.g. my buddy whose grandad was a lineman and later a telephone company manager, and dad was a mechanical engineer, and he ended up SRE / devops

wholinator2 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

In the United States i suspect some portion of this is due to "legacy" admissions whereby some child is admitted to a competitive program or given very advantageous scholarships not because of their hard work and displayed competence, but because of their parents. I know that it will be very possible for my children to end up at ivy league if they take the legacy advantage I've given them, even though ivy league has been completely off the table for me my entire life. They'll start _much, much_ higher on the ladder than I could.

Larrikin 2 days ago | parent [-]

Legacy admission was removed in response to affirmative action being destroyed by the Trump administration.

gtowey 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. They were not "removed", they were made to be disallowed if and only if the school wanted to receive a certain kind of government funding. Some schools have enough money that they can ignore this. Notably, Stanford said they would give up the funding to keep their policy of legacy admissions.

So the richest, most prestigious schools where legacy admissions are a gateway to the upper classes, will keep the policy.

RestlessMind a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> affirmative action being destroyed by the Trump administration.

Affirmative action was gutted by SCOTUS when Biden was president. Not that it was popular before. California of all places rejected it by 56-44 margin in 2020.

adolph 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As I read through the distinctions between "class" and "caste" helpfully provided by search engine AI, a sensation that formal caste systems are more honest than inexplicit "class" systems grew in my mind.

The claims are that different outcomes in income, occupation, education, marriage, etc can result in changes in a person's "class." But even in the statistically insignificant number of Horatio Alger stories, did the person's class really change? Did Eliza from Pygmalion change classes or just learn how to "code switch?"

themafia 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are synonyms as that includes "nearly the same."

The only difference I can detect is that "class" allows members to move between groups and "castes" do not; however, all the outcomes are identical. So they are absolutely synonymous in most peoples eyes.

sleepybrett 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

caste and class reinforce each other.

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tcp_handshaker 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

class, cast, scum... the tokens are not really relevant, only the facts:

"‘Absurd Corruption’: Disgust as Eric Trump Brags About Scoring $24 Million Pentagon Deal" - https://www.commondreams.org/news/eric-trump-pentagon-contra...

simonh 2 days ago | parent [-]

The thing is, a LOT of people voted for this, knowing perfectly well what they were voting for.

lukan 2 days ago | parent [-]

Peace, cheap energy, release of the Epstein files, ..

dyauspitr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like people’s lot in life is becoming hereditary. Caste can be used.

Razengan 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> their relationship to power

The word "power" is so ironic in human cultures:

It's the people with the guns (and muscles) that have the literal physical power. They could shoot the aristocrats dead if they wanted to.

The aristocrats' "power" is make-believe like the rest of their papers and numbers: The various psychological barriers which dissuade the gun-bearers from ever reaching the "want to" part.

rcxdude 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Which is why power is much more complex than brute force. Sheer physical or military power is not the be-all and end-all, just a facet of the total picture (and in fact, social creatures that humans are, even just adversarial aspects of power are a subset of power).

Razengan 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's like that image of a horse tied to a little plastic chair and not daring to move away

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kergonath 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's the people with the guns (and muscles) that have the literal physical power. They could shoot the aristocrats dead if they wanted to.

What matters is not raw power, it’s balance. The power of one guy with guns is kept in check by the power of other guys with guns who stand to benefit from the status quo. The aristocracy’s game is to play with this balance to make sure that no other rival force emerges. They do not need any actual physical power themselves to play it.

vlan0 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is true up until it isn't. Their security is through obscurity. Being able to deflect the masses. Manipulating the balance, if you will. But they are not special. They are still unprotected sacks of flesh. And we've recently seen just how vulnerable they are. If that desire spread, you will see more.

kergonath 2 days ago | parent [-]

> This is true up until it isn't.

Indeed. Then, there’s a revolution and heads start rolling. But again, this does not happen when power disappears; it happens when the balance changes, e.g. when a significant chunk of the army sides with a part of the people.

> Their security is through obscurity

Not at all. They can be very blatant about it. Look at Iran for example. Or Russia. Everyone knows who controls what, there is nothing obscure about it.

SJC_Hacker 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

“You can always hire one half of the poor to kill the other half”

- someone

niyikiza 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminds me of the riddle[1][2] from Game of Thrones / A Clash of Kings:

Lord Varys: Three great men sit in a room: a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Tyrion Lannister: Depends on the sellsword. Lord Varys: Does it? He has neither crown, nor gold, nor favor with the gods. Tyrion Lannister: He has a sword, the power of life and death. Lord Varys: But if it's swordsmen who rule, why do we pretend kings hold all the power? When Ned Stark lost his head, who was truly responsible? Joffrey? The executioner? Or something else? Tyrion Lannister: I've decided I don't like riddles. [pause] Lord Varys: Power resides where men believe it resides. It's a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2070135/characters/nm0384152/ [2] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/503606-oh-i-think-not-varys...

Razengan 2 days ago | parent [-]

Obligatory Fuck Season 8

niyikiza a day ago | parent [-]

I SAY AYE.

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People with guns don't stand much of a chance against people with armies. Sure armies can turn on an individual, but that just means that particular individual has lost power, and that power has been transferred to whatever new individual commands the loyalty of the many. It's not imaginary, it's emergent.

esseph 2 days ago | parent [-]

People vastly overestimate the power of armies.

Trump has gotten shot once, almost twice.

Shinzo Abe got murked by some pipes from the hardware store.

jjk166 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

And how are the people who shot these politicians doing now? How about the US and Japanese governments? Clearly shooting a politician doesn't mean either that you gain their power or that the power structure they led evaporates.

esseph 7 hours ago | parent [-]

My point is that an Army can't protect someone that people really want to die.

mystraline 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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IsTom 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Historically aristocracy was the military class. Nowadays in authoritarian societies it looks like it's mostly matter of time before military takes the lead.

dctoedt 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Nowadays in authoritarian societies it looks like it's mostly matter of time before military takes the lead.

See, e.g., Iran's IGRC. Counterexamples: China, Russia — and the U.S.?

xphos 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

China dervies a ton of authority and Legitmacy from the PLA (peoples liberation army) and Russia is run by from Inteligence service members of the KGB low level ones to be sure but I don't see how China and Russia are counter examples. The US isn't their yet we will see if the backslide happens in the next two years but I think its of a different qualia than we see in the "typical" Authorithian State.

Ironically I was watching Nuremberg last not and is is schocking how close some of the leaders of this country are to characters like Hermann Göring, or Hitler himself in talking points. They are certainly populists but the language they used is MGGA (make german great again) so to speak. And factually that were not particular that good at it either most of Germans recovery is really due to the liberal government that pass laws that built the Autobahn were laws not by the Nazi party. They certain jumped on them and accelerate them but effective governence is not really for the populist

QuarterReptile 2 days ago | parent [-]

In fact, the current administration, not headed by someone from the military (and VP has military credibility but not leadership) is not at all aligned to the military except in that their base appreciates the imprimatur of honorable military service. In fact, Trump 1 was in many ways a huge refutation to Trump of the idea that the military guys were leaders he could count on. Their brain-trust positions had more left-alignment than he maybe imagined. His administration, in 2025, fired high-ranking officers in a way that suggested he entered with the reverse conclusion: not military leaders as high-competence straight-shooters, but as all being suspect for having risen unstoppably in a system pervaded by partisan platitudes and shibboleths. Fortunately, the administration didn't take the Soviet approach of purging all those under suspicion.

They just finally had to fire their SecNav because reality butted heads with their ideological conclusion was that business experience was more conducive to military success. Unfortunately for their very-much-not-military-led plan, SecNav probably needs a bit more user experience from time in Navy leadership to successfully work within that labrythine bureaucracy.

argomo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

A military coup in the U.S. is imaginable, which probably explains some of the top brass purges (until recently, where it's probably an attempt to deflect blame for the massive Iran fuck up).

Putin did it better; he kept the military weak and aggressively managed the risk via the FSB.

simonh 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it's plausible, but an authoritarian president invoking emergency powers and deploying military and paramilitary forces to exert control on the streets is, on the basis it's already going on at a limited scale. All it takes is for that scale to gradually dial up over time until the frog's cooked.

The problem you have is these elected kings. Not just any king, pretty specifically the majority of the powers enjoyed by George III in the 1790s. The fact that you still have this, unreformed over 200 years later and still think that somehow your constitutional system is modern, is a matter for despair. Get yourselves a proper parliamentary system, with maybe a head of state as a figurehead.

mwigdahl 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Your main point is valid, but I'd argue it's less the power of the President and more the two-party system and the weakness of Congress that is the root of many American governance problems. Executive power has grown in the vacuum of Congressional impotence.

As far as reforms, we need more to be sure, but there's at least the 22nd Amendment, formalizing the two-term tradition that Washington initiated and FDR abrogated into a hard limit, that means Trump can't legally keep power past 2028.

cucumber3732842 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>The problem you have is these elected kings. Not just any king, pretty specifically the majority of the powers enjoyed by George III in the 1790s. The fact that you still have this, unreformed over 200 years later and still think that somehow your constitutional system is modern, is a matter for despair. Get yourselves a proper parliamentary system, with maybe a head of state as a figurehead.

What a poorly thought out and questionably motivated take. It will no doubt be well received here.

In any case, reconstructing out legislature to copy european stuff isn't gonna change anything if the legislature still sees fit to vest so much power in the executive.

simonh a day ago | parent [-]

My point is precisely that the US system is substantially a copy of European stuff. It had some significant innovations for it's time of course, but it's really showing it's age. Meanwhile Parliamentary systems have significantly reformed and further innovated since.

QuarterReptile 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think, despite all the furor whipped up and attempts by high-ranking officials to foment a coup, the military is actually very unlikely to disobey Presidential orders; this is based on my frequent interactions with military officers over the last ten years. Do you perceive some other, more likely, coup scenario?

alistairSH 2 days ago | parent [-]

A coup from the same military that happily deployed foot soldiers into American cities to perform law enforcement duties they were not trained to perform? And is happily killing boat-people in the Caribbean? And ran a covert operation to kidnap a foreign head of state? And ran another covert operation to assassinate political leaders in another sovereign state and are now bombing that same state into rubble for no publicly disclosed reason?

Yeah, no coup is happening here. Our military is built around civilian control via the White House. That ain't changing any time soon. Ignoring the various uses of force above, when the generals were called before Hegseth to bend the knee, all but one of them did.

vlan0 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly this. They live in houses with glass windows. We could take this world any time we choose.

pavas 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Chill out brother. Life's good.

vlan0 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That is exactly the type of pacificity that plays into their hand. Life is good and bad at the same time. It is important to hold those two at the same time.

pavas a day ago | parent [-]

I donno for me life's just good. I'm living that Asterix lifestyle lol.

lyu07282 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't worry nobody here said anything even remotely political, it wouldn't even occur to them, so your status quo is safe.

pavas a day ago | parent [-]

Ah, "status quo", that's a Latin phrase! I'm particularly fond of "carpe diem": seize the carp!

scottyah 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But then you'd have to live in it, and it sounds like you'd have a world where people with nice things don't live long

vlan0 2 days ago | parent [-]

Nah, nothing wrong with nice things. But if those nice things only exist because someone else on the planet had to suffer....

jubilanti 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But the people almost never do, and that reason is power.

mrguyorama 2 days ago | parent [-]

The reason is gambling.

The vast majority of people don't want to take the bet of a tiny chance of doubling their lot in life for the downside risk of literally being tortured and dying and probably ruining the life of any loved ones.

Most people aren't degenerate gamblers.

The workaround is organization. With sufficient organization, you can start to drag the tiny chance to a slightly bigger chance, and slightly reduce the downside risk maybe.

Some parts of American society are absurdly bad at organizing, and basically gave up 60 years ago.

bandofthehawk 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.

Razengan 2 days ago | parent [-]

Man, fuck season 8 tho

scottyah 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The pen is mightier than the sword.

spwa4 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is how a caste system works.

Not at all. In a caste system a lower caste person will get attacked if he (or especially she) has any success at all. Whether or not what they did was legal or not does not factor into the equation. First priority is that the highest up dalit is lower than the worst drunkard brahmin, even if they have to kill them.

Fricken 2 days ago | parent [-]

Tulsa once had what was known as Black Wall Street. There were too many successful black men, so 1921 in the whites massacred everybody. They even brought in planes and dropped bombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

b112 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

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rectang 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The broader theme of antagonism to Black success motivating the thoroughness of the destruction is a common observation about Tulsa.

Bnjoroge 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

honestly the entire country up until maybe 40 or so years ago

esseph 2 days ago | parent [-]

Arguably happening right now due to a joke Obama made about Trump

b112 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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notahacker 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Here's a contemporary opinion, from the state attorney general at the time, the highest ranking person in a judicial apparatus that didn't prosecute anyone for participating in it. Looks like the fact that "the Negro" was so rich he didn't "accept the white man as his benefactor" was a pretty big deal...

The cause of this riot was not Tulsa. It might have happened anywhere for the Negro is not the same man he was thirty years ago when he was content to plod along his own road accepting the white man as his benefactor. But the years have passed and the Negro has been educated and the race papers have spread the thought of race equality.

b112 a day ago | parent [-]

There is no discussion of wealth in your quote. And further, that quote supports what I've been saying.

It specifically says "the cause of this riot was not Tulsa", and "It might have happened anywhere". If it "might have happened anywhere", it therefore has nothing to do with the unique high-wealth of this area.

notahacker a day ago | parent [-]

Takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to unironically suggest that the axiomatic Southern racist belief that "the Negro" should regard "the white man as his benefactor" has no links to their relative wealth.

When you find yourself drawing parallels between your own arguments and those of contemporary white supremacists asserting that the attitudes of local whites were not at all to blame, it's perhaps a good idea to reconsider...

shakna 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Nice to see sealioning is alive and well on HN.

Muromec 2 days ago | parent [-]

But do we actually have a proof that ** bombed *, maybe they bombed their own school to make you feel sad?

gzread 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Read between the lines.

Fricken 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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lukan 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Well, I am also having trouble with stating it as a fact, that the reason was they were too wealthy. Might have played a role later, but that is not clear to me from what is stated on wiki:

"The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 21-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[25] He was arrested and rumors spread that he was to be lynched. Several hundred white residents assembled outside the courthouse, appearing to have the makings of a lynch mob. A group of approximately 50–60 black men, armed with rifles and shotguns, arrived at the jail to support the sheriff and his deputies in defending Rowland from the mob. Having seen the armed black men, some of the whites who had been at the courthouse went home for their own guns. There are conflicting reports about the exact time and nature of the incident, or incidents, that immediately precipitated the massacre.

According to the 2001 Commission, "As the black men were leaving, a white man attempted to disarm a tall, African American World War I veteran. A struggle ensued, and a shot rang out." Then, according to the sheriff, "all hell broke loose."[26] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men was greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood."

Spooky23 2 days ago | parent [-]

So you take issue with the idea that an out of mob that burned down 35 blocks of a mid sized city was motivated by envy and resentment of the prosperous black community.

Instead, you assert it was a mob that assembled to lynch a young man who was arrested for assault after he stepped on the foot of or grabbed the arm of a white female elevator operator when he tripped in the elevator. I guess they got out of hand when there was resistance to their murdering the kid.

Why is that distinction so important to you?

lukan 2 days ago | parent [-]

I take issue with the statement "There were too many successful black men" and wikipedia as proof for that. Honest representation of facts is important to me in general.

sdenton4 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.neh.gov/article/1921-tulsa-massacre

"After an all-night battle on the Frisco Tracks, many residents of Greenwood were taken by surprise as bullets ripped through the walls of their homes in the predawn hours. Biplanes dropped fiery turpentine bombs from the night skies onto their rooftops—the first aerial bombing of an American city in history. A furious mob of thousands of white men then surged over Black homes, killing, destroying, and snatching everything from dining room furniture to piggy banks. Arsonists reportedly waited for white women to fill bags with household loot before setting homes on fire. Tulsa police officers were identified by eyewitnesses as setting fire to Black homes, shooting residents and stealing. Eyewitnesses saw women being chased from their homes naked—some with babies in their arms—as volleys of shots were fired at them. Several Black people were tied to cars and dragged through the streets."

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"One kid groped another kid" is an insufficient explanation of this kind of violence and looting.

lukan 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

""One kid groped another kid" is an insufficient explanation of this kind of violence and looting."

I did not offer any explanation, I stated that wikipedia does not offer the one that was claimed here.

gadders 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One kid attempted to rape another kid, then two armed gangs of black and white people shot at each other, and then it all kicked off.

kitsune1 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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Spooky23 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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b112 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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Spooky23 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Oh it was becuase of their race for sure. For the type of man who joins a lynch mob, the only thing worse than a black man being black was him being “uppity”.

The black community resisted the lynching and stood up for the poor bastard they wanted to murder. Their prosperity as a community and individually gave them the fortitude to fight back.

It wasn’t “because they were rich”. It was because they had agency and dared to stand for their rights as a community. For a person who believes that the color of your skin makes you an inferior or superior human, that is an unforgivable affront.

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Bnjoroge 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you are incredibly naive, ignorant or oblivious if you dont think a primary reason was because of their race in TULSA in 1921. Cmon man -read some history

b112 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't think you're replying to who you think you are, for I've specifically said it was because they were black, and not due to other factors.

Bnjoroge 2 days ago | parent [-]

whoops yea, my bad.

the_gipsy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's... pretty simple.

b112 2 days ago | parent [-]

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uoaei 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Your refusal to interact with subtext has me guffawing. I wonder if you even recognize what you're doing.

In the history of revolution, there is never (except in elementary school) all that much weight put on the singular act which instigated the final result. The conditions in place (Jim Crow laws, Southern pride, etc.) lead up to a final moment which our monkey brains like to point to as the cause but in reality there is a simmering cultural froth which could boil over in any number of ways: it just happens that one of the ways is what's described in the Wikipedia article, but it could have started many other ways. All of our understanding about the experience of being Black in the US during that time helps to contextualize the extreme and disproportionate outburst of violence by the White population as racially motivated, serving under an ideology best described as ur-"Great Replacement Theory".

In simpler words, the destruction of Black Wall Street is not without precedent, indeed this was merely one of the more famous and complete examples of destroying the wealth that Black people enjoyed, if only briefly due to the hate of those visiting violence upon them.

rithdmc 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I wonder if you even recognize what you're doing.

"Don't feed the trolls". They absolutely do know what they're doing.

kennywinker 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You really read a single wikipedia article and think you understand what happened and why? Impressive levels of dunning-kruger on display.

Go read a book about it, and then if you still want to, you can tell us why this interpretation is wrong.

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cauch 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But you are doing the same as what you are complaining about.

Racism is a complex phenomenon not limited to the simplistic view "they don't like black people". This representation is doing a disservice when some truly racist people are then justifying their actions and beliefs by saying "I cannot be racist, I'm friend with the garbage man who is black: he is a good black man, is polite to me and stay at his place. So, if I'm not racist, what I'm doing is just legitimate".

In the context of Tulsa, it is difficult to believe that the frustration of racist people seeing black people more successful than them has not contributed to the situation. It seems very natural and logical (and that's even the core of "white supremacy": it clearly states that white people deserve a better position in the social hierarchy than black people: white supremacy framing is all about how some classes are reserved to white people and not black people), and if you are claiming that it is not the case, you are the one with the burden of the proof.

While you have a point on raising that racism should not be reduced to only a class issue, you should have raised that as a precision around the discussion instead of presenting it as if racism has absolutely nothing to do with class and class sentiment.

To take back your parallel, what you do can be seen as: "A person entered a bar and was raped" (what you say) vs "A woman entered a bar and was raped". While nobody here claims that men cannot be raped, there is social phenomenon that create a gender imbalance, and it is important to not reduce the situation to "it has nothing to do with gender and the social norms around it".

In the rest of your comment, you, yourself, are doing a lot of interpretations. The fact that someone noticed that a class factor may have had an impact does not mean that they or all readers will conclude that it is the only way racism can happen (that is a huge stretch: if they know what happened at Tulsa, they very probably know a lot of other cases where the "only due to class" theory does not hold up). Same for "victim blaming": the fact that they were successful were obviously not used to excuse the massacre or pretend that somehow it was the black people's fault, the context is clearly to condemn the white racist people (and the success of the black people seems to be presented as an obvious additional factor on the racists, as it is obviously unfair to pretend that some people don't have the right to be successful).

I think the first comment was not totally perfect and would have been 100% fine if they would have simply added "class was one of the factor". But I think your reaction has way more problems and does a bigger disservice by reducing racism to a framework that can easily be instrumentalised by real racist people.

Bnjoroge 2 days ago | parent [-]

It is not difficult to believe that the frustration of racist people seeing black people more successful contributed to it. In fact, it's the most obvious and straightforward explanation for it, given the fact that it's 1)1921, 4 or so decades before the Civil Rights act, and in freaking TULSA lmao

pmc123 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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stonogo 2 days ago | parent [-]

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Muromec 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Would you feel bad if it was actually true? Would it pose even a minor inconvenience for your life if that was exactly the case? What's the problem anyway.

gadders 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's the urban myth, yes.

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kennywinker 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Well documented historical events aren’t urban myths.

gadders 2 days ago | parent [-]

People died, yes. But there was no white supremacism. There was no Wall Street. It was just like any high street. It was triggered by an attempted rape.

kennywinker 2 days ago | parent [-]

> there was no white supremacism

People were murdered and homes and businesses destroyed by a white mob because they were black. How is that anything but white supremacy?

> There was no Wall Street. It was just like any high street.

It was one of the wealthiest black communities in america at a time. “Black wall street” was a nickname, not a literal description of a stock exchange.

> It was triggered by an attempted rape.

No, it was triggered by an attempted lynching of a black man. Or if you want to be more specific, because the community there stood up to protect the arrested man. It was triggered by a black community stopping a lynching.

Your assertions are an ahistorical revisionist fantasy.

spwa4 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are we now not at all allowed to reference problems in other societies? We can complain about western society, and complaints from 100 years ago, when even my grandfather wasn't born yet, are valid criticism of America/Europe/... but things that happen today in India, Pakistan, Turkey are off limits?

oh_my_goodness 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Who complained about bringing up the foul stuff that goes on outside the US?

bandofthehawk 2 days ago | parent [-]

No one did of course, but it's a common tactic of distraction to try to focus the attention on something else. That way people don't have to experience the discomfort thinking about the negative thing going on in their own society.

joe_mamba 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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burnt-resistor 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not so much class or caste, but a dual-state where an elite have a normative or lawless state, and specific or arbitrary others suffer a parallel prerogative or punitive state. This is the essence of corrupt authoritarianism.

Most Americans share a delusion of perpetual glory days like a former star high school football quarterback with the refusal to accept factual reality that their country isn't uniformly excellent and is terrible in many ways including being extremely superficial, corrupt, dangerous, unhealthy, unhappy, paranoid, over-reacting, immature, selfish, unfair, disinformed, and unequal.

Muromec 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

More like three. One class where you can do whatever you can pay for, another with a set of annoying but almost reasonable rules and the last one for whom any actions and their mere existence is illegal, but whose presence is very much relied upon to do things.

burnt-resistor a day ago | parent [-]

It's a simplified model to expose unseen hypocrisy and injustice that originated with the persecution of jews in the German Nazi justice system. In reality, 2 or 3 is too simplistic as the US values people differently in different contexts with numerous attribute privilege points. Don't be old, brown, short, homeless, and unattractive in America except to be constantly harassed.

pixl97 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

globalnode 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

soldiers are disposable, they prolly threw him under the bus hoping that would be the end of the matter and they could walk away with the rest of the money.

renticulous 2 days ago | parent [-]

Most Americans Can't Afford This Basic...Commodity?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zzwp_Ypsi9I

smcin a day ago | parent | next [-]

What, can't afford a Senator or two??

globalnode 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Very funny, thanks for adding that to my list of cynical ideas.

roysting 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think an important distinction is not really the class matter, it’s really more a jealousy and spite that the political and bureaucratic betters could not profit from it, not that he did so much.

If he had had the means of letting all or maybe just a relevant and important enough cadre of aristocrats know the inside information, he would have surely not been prosecuted. I know this from first hand knowledge.

It may seem the same or like a distinction without a difference to some, but that is really how things work and why he was prosecuted, not because he profited, but because he did not let others in on it and they really want to discourage that behavior, hence his flogging and his public flogging at that. And yes, if you get the sense that it’s like organized crime, then yes, that is and long has been how the US government and many other governments have functioned for a long time now. It’s what also makes them so easily controlled by the US. It could have easily also been swept under the rug while still sending a signal within the system, but it wasn’t and we were all told about it.

And that is how the ruling parasites really get rich, none of that hard work and smarts stuff; those are the stories told to keep the peasant cattle voting for the slaughterhouse, dreaming of the wide open pastures of also becoming rich by working hard.

Fraud, cheating, lying, manipulation … that’s the name of the American dream game.

I again apologize to anyone who feels what and how I say things is “flame bait” or a personal attack, it’s simply just how I speak and like to challenge people’s comfortable assumptions. Feel free to dismiss what I say of you disagree with me. No offense intended and no flaming or whatever necessary, it’s just people speaking to each other or not. We’ll all be fine if we keep talking, even if you don’t like what others have to say or want to control how they say things.

vlan0 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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kstrauser 2 days ago | parent [-]

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jasonlotito 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

America is fine with the rich and powerful doing that. Just not one of the normies. Just look who they elected to President. You cannot with a serious face suggest otherwise.

baobabKoodaa 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which specific senate and congress members made Polymarket bets on the Maduro raid? Oh, none of them? So it's not "the exact same", then, is it?

rbanffy 2 days ago | parent [-]

Not in their own names, at least.

baobabKoodaa 2 days ago | parent [-]

Were members of Senate and Congress even informed of the Maduro raid before it was executed?

smcin a day ago | parent [-]

The Congressional Gang of Eight said they were not informed (even though they're supposed to be).

rbanffy a day ago | parent [-]

Maybe that’s their resentment - that they could have profited from it and didn’t.

smcin 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't become so cynical. Congress has an obligation to be consulted on wars and withhold consent/budget. (Even if they were merrily trading on events).

Perhaps one of the silver linings we eventually get from current happenings is meaningful anti-insider trading legislation, with criminal penalties, timely reporting, nonpartisan enforcement. In principle that legislation could happen as soon as 2/2027. Or perhaps not.

cpncrunch 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any evidence of that?

ChrisBland 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wilhoit Law; There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect

Tangurena2 2 days ago | parent [-]

Original source of that quote:

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progre...

acchow 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> senate and congress

Senate and congress are both elected. Their re-election is effectively jury nullification.

The people do not care about the crimes.

harimau777 2 days ago | parent [-]

Between citizens united, gerrymandering, the electoral college, winner take all elections, and voter supression, I don't think we can say that "elections" in America reflect the will of the people.

smcin a day ago | parent [-]

Also that only ~30-40 congressional districts of the 435 US House seats are competitive this cycle.

Lionga 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its a big club and you ain't in it.

chii 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Palpatine: I am the senate!

throwaway894345 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, Republicans are always playing this game. They also get top tier, free healthcare while they gleefully cut veterans' benefits.

FireBeyond 2 days ago | parent [-]

For life, too. Be a one or two term congress critter in your early 40s, free healthcare for you and your family for life.

encoderer 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s abundantly clear to a uniformed soldier that they have a lot of rules to follow and “can a senator do it” couldn’t matter less.

varispeed 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Western corruption is called "lobbying" and is only allowed for the rich.

mrguyorama 2 days ago | parent [-]

No. Lobbying is indeed legal for everyone.

But when's the last time you had $300 million in your personal budget to spend on advertising to a specific human being to improve your personal income?

When's the last time you got a call from an actual politician begging you for money and "support"?

US congress members spend the vast vast majority of their time on the phone begging a list of rich people for a piss of nickles to fund advertising for their next election. There's always a subtle threat of strings attached.

Both the prince and pauper are forbidden from sleeping under the bridge.

throw7 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

rules for thee

breppp 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some, and probably very few.

When the people feel everyone is corrupt without any evidence then the next step is getting actual corrupt leaders like Trump's government and soldiers like this that feel corruption is standard behavior

ekjhgkejhgk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. This is Trump signaling that insider trading is for actual insiders only.