| ▲ | bko 6 hours ago |
| I personally think vegans should consider eating cows. If you care about sentient life and abuse, think about how much meat one cow produces. Killing a single cow can feed you for well over a year. |
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| ▲ | malfist 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You say that like it's mandatory to kill sentient life to feed people. It isn't. |
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| ▲ | nickburns 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can imagine this poster's chortle thinking to themself, 'they thought I meant the animals!' | |
| ▲ | notlenin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | aren't plants also sentient? Isn't all life sentient? If not, where do you draw the line? "It has eyes and bilateral symmetry and an endoskeleton looks vaguely human-like so I can anthropomorphize it"? "Only members of the animal kingdom are conscious"? | | |
| ▲ | nickburns 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you think plants achieve the same degree of sentience as say, a pig? Or would drawing even that line be too arbitrary for you? | | |
| ▲ | notlenin 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | honestly, I don't know. Sentience is consciousness. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a plant, the plants existence is too different from mine for me to imagine it. It would be like trying to imagine life in a 12-dimensional space - I'm a human, with a human consciousness, living in 3-dimensional space, that makes sense to me. I can empathize, and to a certain degree imagine what it must be like to be a dog or a cat or a cow, because they're very similar to me in how they work. They move, they eat, they poop, they reproduce sexually. They have similar mammalian feelings and similar DNA (well, more similar than the plant). But for all I know a plant, say the spinach I had a few days ago, could be just as conscious, albeit in a way that I absolutely cannot comprehend, and my ripping off the plant's leaves to eat them may be, to the plant, every bit as painful as someone ripping out my lungs to eat them. | | |
| ▲ | nickburns 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So you acknowledge the former but can't get past the latter. Got it. I wonder how the judges will score. | |
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| ▲ | goodpoint 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, plants, bacteria, mushrooms are obviously not sentient as they lack a brain. |
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| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I always wonder what vegans think is going to happen to all the pigs, cows, and chickens if people stop eating meat? | | |
| ▲ | cfstras 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Demand would go down, so meat companies would reduce breeding to reduce output. Or start an ad & lobbying campaign to increase demand again. | |
| ▲ | marliechiller 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Billions of pigs cows and chickens will stop being massacred in grizzly ways? Yours is an extremely common and unfortunately ill-informed argument that I see a lot. If I was given the choice between end all suffering by killing all factory farmed animals right now vs perpetuate it, im choosing kill all animals right now | | |
| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It sounds like you don't have a problem with killing animals. Is it just the living conditions? If we replaced factory farms with more ethical practices, would that solve the problem for you? |
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| ▲ | turtlesdown11 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I always wonder what vegans think is going to happen to all the pigs, cows, and chickens if people stop eating meat? factory farms would stop breeding animals to kill them? Did you think you had an argument here? |
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| ▲ | stasomatic 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m gonna pull a Rogan and mention how many other sentient beings are massacred while plowing a field. Rodents, insects, snakes, birds, etc. Is that a myth? What is the answer to feed everyone during these budget constrained times? It can’t be tofu, can it? There are just too many of us. In the meantime, the US is overrun by dear and boars, and I’ve been learning archery. |
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| ▲ | Ritewut 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > What is the answer to feed everyone during these budget constrained times? It can’t be tofu, can it? There are just too many of us. You are very wrong here by orders of magnitudes. The US produces about 5 billion bushes of soybeans. 1 bushel is around 60 lbs. Having made tofu myself, depending on the type of tofu you make 1 lb of dry soybeans is anywhere from 1.5 to 2 lbs of tofu(remember we are adding water to the mix so we increase weight). If 1 bushel is 60 lbs and we produce 5 billion then we have 136 million metric tons of soybeans which makes 272 million tons of tofu which is enough to feed the entire US several times over. This doesn't even begin to touch the amount of food you can make from the byproduct of tofu, soy pulp which is itself a food in some countries. I'm not suggesting we actually do it but to answer your question of "is tofu the answer," it could be. The vast majority of our soybean crop was sold to other countries until Trump tariffs made China switch from us to Russia. I'm not sure what the current status of our soybean production is but we have the crop production to feed the entire US. | | |
| ▲ | stasomatic 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for the math. Obviously not everyone will go for Soyfu, but I'll attempt to integrate it into my diet. I've had it, it's an acquired taste, but what isn't really. I remember hating black caviar growing up in Ua. | | |
| ▲ | redwall_hp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Tofu is amazing when it's used for things tofu is made for instead of as a sad meat substitute. Miso soup isn't miso soup without tofu, and mapo tofu is one of the most amazing flavors in existence. (It's sichuan, so it's not for people who can't tolerate flavor.) | |
| ▲ | Ritewut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd recommend checking out Serious Eats for Kenji's "Vegan Experience" recipes. He has some tofu recipes for omnivores that I really endorse. His tofu banh mi is divine. |
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| ▲ | Lambdanaut 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > mention how many other sentient beings are massacred while plowing a field. Rodents, insects, snakes, birds, etc. Is that a myth? Loads of small field animals are killed when eating vegan. Loads more are killed when eating omnivore, because you have to plow even more field to also feed the factory-farmed animals. > In the meantime, the US is overrun by dear and boars, and I’ve been learning archery. Assuming you stick with it, I think that could be a good idea. | |
| ▲ | nicoburns 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's a case to be made for wild/hunted meat. But the majority of meat production worldwide relies on feeding those animals farmed plants, and that entails a lot more plowed fields than farming plants for direct human consumption does. |
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| ▲ | IAmBroom 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Should pacifists likewise murder one person? |
