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nslsm 4 hours ago

Has he ever hit something or someone? If the answer is no, then speeding laws are too strict and must change.

ceejayoz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Among the questions he would not answer was: “While driving the RAM 1500, have you been involved in a collision with a car, pedestrian or cyclist?” (We can’t independently find that out because license plates are not in the city database of crashes for some reason.)

tverbeure 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would you apply the same reason to drunk driving? If not, why?

nslsm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

…yes? My point is if someone can break the law 547 times and no one is affected then the law is stupid.

tverbeure an hour ago | parent [-]

Your point is wrong.

The offender may be an exceptionally alert driver who doesn't get into an accident, unlike the average person (and statistics show that higher speed results in a higher accident rate.) You also ignore the claim made by the article that it is not known how many accidents are made by the offender, because the license plate data isn't available. Or the fact that the offender is a cop and we all know how they tend to be treated differently by other cops.

Maybe you want to system where the speed limit is variable and based on some driving aptitude test. What could possibly go wrong with that.

ImJasonH 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminds me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqYyxvM85zU

condensedcrab 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not so much whether someone has hit anyone - speeding laws exist for a good reason to protect other drivers, pedestrians, cyclists, etc. There's a good reason that school zones are 25 mph for survivability in the case of a car hitting a pedestrian (especially for small children).

There's certainly issues with speeding laws and enforcement, but at the end of the day the US is so car-centric that removing someone's license for dangerous driving can severely impact their ability to get to work, etc.

noja 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nobody knows. He was driving too fast to get his plate.

trehalose 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If he hasn't, then why would he refuse to say so?

garciasn 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> If he hasn't, then why would he refuse to say so?

Because he doesn't need to nor should he respond to a blogger? We continually point out that no one should ever talk to the police, the same absolutely goes for the media, particularly when you're a civil servant.

OutOfHere 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am of two minds about it. On one hand, speeding alone when done by a mature highly-attentive driver isn't really dangerous no matter the limit, because the driver has enough expertise to know what his personal limit ought to be. The residual risk is more from immature drivers, the mistakes of other cars, cyclists, and pedestrians.

I have been on both sides of it. I have been the speeder who can drive very safely, and much earlier than that I have been the one to get hit by a car on a street. If the car had been going faster, or if it had been an SUV or a truck, I could have been less than lucky.

I settle for a middle position, which is that the speed limit should be no less than 35 mph on most streets, with heavy mandated use of automated collision avoidance systems. Moreover, I think that all pedestrian collisions, no matter how small, must be investigated thoroughly, with a hard action taken to minimize such an incident. School zones and other low-speed zones are a complete moneygrubbing racket because we already use schoolbuses which have protections.

Bicyclists must be mandated to wear light-colored high-visibility clothing, reflective gear, and a helmet, otherwise their bicycle should be confiscated.

jcranmer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> the driver has enough expertise to know what his personal limit ought to be

It is actually somewhat amusing that you worded this as "ought to be" rather than "is". Because one of the big problems with most drivers is they have an overly inflated idea of how competent they are at driving (I am not so churlish as to exclude myself from the category). And our system does nothing to bring drivers' beliefs about their capabilities in line with their actual capabilities--drivers are tested generally once on their competence [1], and that pass result then gets to hold for several decades, physical or mental decline notwithstanding.

> I settle for a middle position, which is that the speed limit should be no less than 35 mph on most streets

Most residential streets are not safe to travel at 25 mph, let alone 35 mph. There's a line of parked cars in the shoulders, children playing in the driveways, sidewalks, and street? Yeah, if you're traveling 35 mph, you've got no hope of stopping in time (recall that stopping distance goes to the square of speed).

> Moreover, I think that all pedestrian collisions, no matter how small, must be investigated thoroughly, with a hard action taken to minimize such an incident.

We already know how to minimize collisions. The top 3 actions to take are a) reduce speed limits, b) redesign roads to be narrower to make drivers less comfortable traveling at speed, and c) ban right turns on red.

> Bicyclists must be mandated to wear light-colored high-visibility clothing, reflective gear, and a helmet, otherwise their bicycle should be confiscated.

Why? It's not like wildlife like bears, moose, or deer that wander onto the roads wear such gear, and a "mature highly-attentive driver" should be equally aware of such dangers.

[1] And to be honest, even that is somewhat generous a statement.

plorg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What you are describing is a legislation of the attitude of the average careless driver in the United States. I should be able to drive however I want until or unless I kill someone, the car should be the thing that keeps me from killing people, and anyone who doesn't use the roadway like me should be responsible for preventing me from killing them.

mindslight 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Spot on, well said. Personally I think inattentive driving is a bigger problem than speeding, but by the time someone is justifying it for themselves by saying they're safer than everyone else, they've lost the plot.

In my experience, the only thing that really feels too fast in a car is going faster than you've become used to driving.

And yeah, how someone talks about cyclists is always a tell.

cmdoptesc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> On one hand, speeding alone when done by a mature highly-attentive driver isn't really dangerous no matter the limit, because the driver has enough expertise to know what his personal limit ought to be. The residual risk is more from immature drivers, the mistakes of other cars, cyclists, and pedestrians.

The problem is the vast majority of drivers overestimate their skills and underestimate the risks. Many people are also emotional drivers and will drive faster when angry or stressed. A great combo.

> I settle for a middle position, which is that the speed limit should be no less than 35 mph on most streets, with heavy mandated use of automated collision avoidance systems.

So what are you going to do about all the millions of existing cars out there without collision avoidance systems?

Given all this, the easiest solution is for people to drive the speed limit, especially in urban areas with pedestrians and bicyclists.

If you really want to gas it, go to a racetrack or buy a motorcycle and donate your brain.

piva00 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I settle for a middle position, which is that the speed limit should be no less than 35 mph on most streets, with heavy mandated use of automated collision avoidance system.

Why does it need to be so contrived when there's empirical evidence from many other countries in the world about measures which do make traffic safer for everyone involved? Why can't the USA look at that and implement what has worked? It doesn't even need to do the heavy lifting, it's been done, just improve measures which have already saved countless lives in other countries...

Or don't and keep killing 30-50k people every year in traffic.

toraway 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I live near a middle school in the suburbs and it may come as a surprise but kids are frequently crossing a busy street using a regular, unprotected crosswalk.

dpkirchner 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No amount of child deaths and dismemberments are enough to deny me the right to get to where I'm going 30 seconds faster. Don't you know how important I am?

greedo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sandyhook showed that we don't care about kids...

iso1631 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Bicyclists must be mandated to wear light-colored high-visibility clothing, reflective gear, and a helmet, otherwise their bicycle should be confiscated.

The leading cause of death for car occupants is head injuries, I assume you believe that all car occupants must wear a helmet.

All cars needless to say need to be bright orange

Any infringement should have the car crushed.

OutOfHere 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I actually absolutely believe that all cars should be brightly colored. It doesn't have to be orange. It is an easy win.

As for helmets in cars, yes, it's a particularly good idea for small cars that have a lower collision safety score. An appropriate helmet should be used that does not obstruct viewing mirrors or the blind spot. Pedestrians too can benefit from a helmet.

rationalist an hour ago | parent [-]

People should be taught how to adjust their mirrors properly so that they do not have a blindspot.

If a car is designed so that no amount of adjusting can get rid of the blindspot, then that car should be illegal (Chevy Malibu).

OutOfHere 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't believe that is possible. If it were possible, it wouldn't be called a blindspot. Of course a mirror should be well adjusted, but I don't see how it substitutes for checking the blindspot. Try it in a driving test; you will fail the test.

eightysixfour 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is your underlying assumption that cars should be have the highest priority as a method of transportation, everywhere? Do you live in a rural area or something?

> School zones and other low-speed zones are a complete moneygrubbing racket because we already use schoolbuses which have protections.

What does this even mean? Does every kid ride a bus where you are? Do your school buses have seat belts and crumple zones?

rationalist 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When I go faster than usual, I always slow down around other traffic. So if the law accounted for that, that would be nice. It seems silly to be pulled over if you're the only one on the road.

However I can understand that slower speeds can reduce catastrophic results if a tire blows.

I suppose it's akin to wearing seatbelts: As long as you're driving reasonably around other traffic and only speeding when you're by yourself, then the law primarily is there to protect the one person.

Edit: is there something wrong with my comment?

addled 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does the person have children? If so then the law benefits more than just the driver, even if they are the only one on the road.

We already have a precedent of compelling parents to pay child-support.

I don’t know if I’m really advocating for a nanny state, but last month I went to the funeral of a friend that was driving without a seatbelt and was alone on the road. Now his pregnant wife has to raise their child alone.

I guess what I’m trying to say is: Wear a seatbelt.

You may not have any concern for your own safety, but there’s probably somebody who does.

rationalist an hour ago | parent [-]

I agree with wearing seatbelts. I always wear mine. In fact, I hate the feeling of not wearing it. I like to be positioned securely in one spot when driving.

However, should it be illegal for someone with no dependants?

nemomarx an hour ago | parent [-]

At a certain narrow point, what's the use of carving out a particular class of people from a general "use seatbelts in cars" law?

I suppose logically though someone with no dependents who signed some sort of waiver could be allowed, but it complicates enforcement measures quite a lot either way.

kordlessagain 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would say you are rationalizing as is the parent of your reply, whose own reply is now invisible as it's been dv into oblivion.

Statistically if you speed the chances of a mishap increase. It's just a fact of observation. You are making a rationalization that statistics don't apply to you, and HN has judged you accordingly.

rationalist 2 hours ago | parent [-]

First, thank you for replying to my edit.

> You are making a rationalization that statistics don't apply to you

I reread my comment, and I don't see that at all.

The only thing I said about me is that sometimes I drive faster than usual, which is not even an admission of exceeding the speed limit.

Most of the time I set my cruise control to the speed limit, and it is surprising how many people I pass that way.