There’s a similar situation in game dev. Players are very good at identifying problems - this isn’t fun, this feels too hard, etc. However, the solutions they suggest are often terrible, resulting in broken, unfun games. The same advice applies: Figure out what’s actually wrong and fix that.

Is that level really too hard, or did you just fail to properly introduce a new ability? Is the story boring, or is the story taking away from the enjoyable gameplay?

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Der_Einzige 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Totally wrong. Game mods constantly create game experiences that should have been there on day 1 and weren’t because dumbass devs refuse to correctly use the very tools they built.

Game after game you get some half baked feature kept gimped by poor choices of values from the developers, and a bunch of modders have to go fix it to keep the game good.

Rome 2 total war (divide et impera)

Empire at war (thrawns revenge)

Rimworld

Skyrim

Stalker (project gamma)

Blade and Sorcery

And so many more games are just like this!

Actually gamers and modders DO know how to fix the game and it does NOT break the game. Folks like you would argue that the “lethal” difficulty added to ghosts of Tushima “broke the game”.

Star Wars Jedi knight 2/3 are infinitely better when you turn instakilling with light sabers on. I had to do that in the games built in command line.

Game devs are fucking morons. The cello maker is not the cello player. The map is not the territory.

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protocolture an hour ago | parent [-]

>Actually gamers and modders DO know how to fix the game and it does NOT break the game.

eehhhhhh if I was going to install a skyrim mod at random, I would probably hate it. Even if I did this 1000 times, I would probably hate 99%+ of them. In fact just in terms of volume these are all likely to be porn mods of some description.

Skyrim modding hours, and output, converted into paid dev time would be a disaster. ROI would be negative a few million percentage points.

You seem to be taking examples where an individual player can tailor an experience to be just what they want, and extrapolating it back to presume the developers, who have to make a game for a wider audience, are stupid somehow.

Its a bad opinion, based on nothing and very much in the mode of the modern gamer.

	▲	lmm 11 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Maybe the developers should've put more porn in. (Hell, a lot of the time they know the game should have more sex, but leave it to the modders because of instructions from above and/or to maintain plausible deniability).
	▲	thrwaway55 an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Maybe pick a more restrictive modding engine or cut out obvious fetish and meme material from evaluation? Even gems of games ala Factorio 1.0 aren't really as good as their peak mods ala Space Exploration. If you limited to larger scale overhaul style mods I think your economic argument starts collapsing quickly