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Georgelemental 4 hours ago

Personally, I like that they come across as a little paranoid. That's exactly the attitude I want in the people protecting my privacy and security. I hope the developers lie awake at night, unable to fall asleep because terrified that someone somewhere is plotting to attack and exploit them

HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thats... a horrible thing to want for someone. No one on the GrapheneOS team is paranoid or mentally ill.

busterarm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's healthy paranoia and there's treating even casual commentary/criticism from anyone as an existential threat & coordinated attack...and responding to that with sustained, coordinated attack campaigns online. That's what Micay's history is.

That's not healthy for any project.

HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is false. Commentary and criticism is not treated as a coordinated attack. Coordinated attacks are treated as coordinated attacks. Criticism is often used as an excuse to try and hide attacks, and many people unfortunately cannot tell the difference. Kind of like this reply, which attacks Micay under the guise of criticism.

user_7832 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could you share a link or something about this?

> ...responding to that with sustained, coordinated attack campaigns online. That's what Micay's history is.

For the rest, in general, I'm tempted to give grapheneOS the benefit of the doubt. Running any FOSS project is hard, running it against the (implicit) wishes of OEMs/Google (who throw in things like Play Integrity) is even harder, and doing it when 3 letter agencies at the US govt actively hate you is harder still.

Being paranoid in responses to FUD campaigns isn't ideal, but save coordinated attacks, I'd say fairly understandable.

HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago | parent [-]

No one on the GrapheneOS team is paranoid.

Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Recently, the socials have been more moderate and level-headed, imo.

microtonal an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, they have had to deal with multiple swattings, constant misinformation from some competitors (e.g. Murena's CEO doing interviews with various media where they insinuate that security-hardened systems like GrapheneOS are only for criminals and secret agents, complete with 'think of the children'-style arguments), and some local/national governments boosting the narrative that GrapheneOS is for criminals.

So I can understand why they are as defensive as they are.

TehCorwiz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Based on how discourse in the US has been perverted by inches and millions of mosquito bites they may not be wrong. Stamping out bad information fast and hard seems to be the only way to combat mass coordinated disinformation. Being polite just lets people play the "both sides have merit" game.

uqers 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://xkcd.com/225/

Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's hilarious thanks for sharing.

tokai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Realistically Stallman would start lecturing them on how his licenses are not open source.

kibibu 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Richard Stallman would most certainly not use the term open source to lecture somebody about free software.