I like how people come up with some analogy (and all analogies are wrong by definition) and then attack said analogy and based on that make a declaration on the original statement. But what if we use a different analogy: basically using an LLM is like skipping the whole learning process - not learning how to read, not learning how to write and not learning how to think, then what?

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_doctor_love a day ago | parent | next [-]

> basically using an LLM is like skipping the whole learning process - not learning how to read, not learning how to write and not learning how to think, then what?

I take this same argument and fold it slightly.

Think back to Cliff's Notes. A student has a paper due. They are low on time. They use Cliff's Notes to help them write a paper and get at least a passing grade.

If the student does this one time or for an occasional crunch, there's not a big issue.

If the student does this all the time, and then later complains they didn't get a good education, who should have the accountability for that?

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qayxc a day ago | parent [-]

Interestingly enough, the act of writing notes is evidentially a very effective learning method.

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		> Interestingly enough, the act of writing notes is evidentially a very effective learning method. In case you don't know, CliffsNotes isn't you writing notes, it's using someone else's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CliffsNotes

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deadbabe a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Learning to read, learning to write, learning to think, only have value because of the outcomes they produce.

If the outcomes can be reached with just AI, then AI has all the value.

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sveme a day ago | parent | next [-]

Don‘t take it personally, you might be right in your extreme position, but this feels like a horrible take on what it means to be human.

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deadbabe a day ago | parent | next [-]

Does a human only have value then once they have learned to do those things?

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pixl97 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

"What it means to be human is to work 16 hours a day for someone else taking home just enough salary to survive another day, because you too, someday could become a millionaire" --HN

A lot of what humanity does seems to be a persistent terrible take.

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simongr3dal a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hope you count "stimulating our minds for either learning or imaginative purposes" as one of those outcomes because if you only count "work produced and kpis met" as an outcome then that sounds pretty bleak.

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colonelspace a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"If" is doing an enormous amount of work here.

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bluefirebrand a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Learning to read, learning to write, learning to think, only have value because of the outcomes they produce

Only have economic value maybe.

Humans have more value than just whatever economic crap they produce