I think that's an overgeneralization. We've seen all the American models be closed and proprietary from the start. Meanwhile the non-American (especially the Chinese ones) have been open since the start. In fact they often go the opposite direction. Many Chinese models started off proprietary and then were later opened up (like many of the larger Qwen models)

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robot_jesus 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We've seen all the American models be closed and proprietary from the start

What about Gemma and Llama and gpt-oss, not to mention lots of smaller/specialized models from Nvidia and others?

I would never argue that China isn't ahead in the open weights game, of course, but it's not like it's "all" American models by any stretch.

	▲	walthamstow 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		gpt-oss is good but I haven't heard anything about an update. It seems like one and done, to shut up people complaining about non-Open AI

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embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> We've seen all the American models be closed and proprietary from the start.

Most*.

OpenAI, contrary to popular belief, actually used to believe in open research and (more or less) open models. GPT1 and GPT2 both were model+code releases (although GPT2 was a "staged" release), GPT3 ended up API-only.

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zozbot234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OpenAI has released their GPT-OSS series more recently.

	▲	magicalhippo 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Recently, more like 20 years ago in LLM-years. It's a good model though, would be nice with a refresh.
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culi 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's fair but those days seem so long gone now.

Also the Chinese models aren't following a typical American SaaS playbook which relies on free/cheap proprietary software for early growth. They are not just publishing their weights but also their code and often even publishing papers in Open Access journals to explicitly highlight what methods and advancements were made to accomplish their results

	▲	zozbot234 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The Nvidia Nemotron models are recent, and of course the Gemma 4 series from Google.
	▲	tasuki 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Any idea why they do that?
	▲	taneq 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		gasp Science!