> We've seen all the American models be closed and proprietary from the start.

Most*.

OpenAI, contrary to popular belief, actually used to believe in open research and (more or less) open models. GPT1 and GPT2 both were model+code releases (although GPT2 was a "staged" release), GPT3 ended up API-only.

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zozbot234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OpenAI has released their GPT-OSS series more recently.

	▲	magicalhippo 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Recently, more like 20 years ago in LLM-years. It's a good model though, would be nice with a refresh.
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culi 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's fair but those days seem so long gone now.

Also the Chinese models aren't following a typical American SaaS playbook which relies on free/cheap proprietary software for early growth. They are not just publishing their weights but also their code and often even publishing papers in Open Access journals to explicitly highlight what methods and advancements were made to accomplish their results

	▲	zozbot234 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The Nvidia Nemotron models are recent, and of course the Gemma 4 series from Google.
	▲	tasuki 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Any idea why they do that?
	▲	taneq 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		gasp Science!