I'd rather my phone be waterproof than have a battery I can replace myself

orbital-decay 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Those are not mutually exclusive at all, and there were waterproof phones with replaceable batteries (without even needing a screwdriver). This is mostly an excuse.

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throwaway27448 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I am not sure I believe this, but I'm sure there are phones that attempted it.

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Aachen 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Then read upthread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47835184

I just don't see why we can't have nice things until proven otherwise (especially considering there is already evidence that this works), rather than have glued-shut devices until proven otherwise (by whom then? Apparently IP and practical experiences aren't enough for you)

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syncsynchalt 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Samsung only rated the S5 Active as water resistant, and only IP67.

We're talking about IP68, where you can take a new phone with you on a long swim.

	▲	Aachen 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I clicked the "parent comment" link all the way to the submission, and opened the submission as well. Nothing mentions IP68. Which "we" is this goalpost coming from?

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bombcar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's likely impossible to legislate but it would be nice to say "each generation has to have one user-replaceable battery". Everyone who doesn't care (the 99%) can buy the iPhone 19x, and the people who want replaceable batteries can get the iPhone B.

	▲	konschubert 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Then the 99% have to pay extra to subsidise the compliance phone for the 1%...

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tokyobreakfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is it that I owned a fully-submersible phone—with user replaceable battery—over 15 years ago?

You've bought into and are now parroting Apple & Samsung marketing BS.

P.S. it had a headphone jack too. Gaskets over the ports. The headphone jack was the first victim of "but muh waterproof" despite all the other holes and cutouts.

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OutOfHere 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why do you imply that the phone could no longer be waterproof? Granted, it would take a bit of extra engineering to make it comparably waterproof. There is no reasonable implication that water needs to leak into the internals of the device where it makes contact with the battery.

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cowl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you can have both. the waterproof was just an excuse to make you either change the phone or go to a specialised center to change the battery, something that is so incovinient/expensive that people just obsolete their phone instead.

	▲	wa2flq 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I trust that most batteries from iPhones are currently recycled through proper means either by Apple or third party firms. I don't know how most people will dispose of user replacement batteries, but I suspect the recycle rates will be lower. If you want to ensure higher rates you also need to do something they do in the USA for car lead acid batteries. Charge a deposit fee on the new battery that is returned only when the battery is turned into a valid recycling entity.

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gambiting 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plenty of phones that were waterproof and had replacable batteries already. This isn't new or even particularily hard to do.

For a simplest example - somehow my watch is waterproof to 200M down and replacing the battery just takes a tiny screwdriver. Gaskets are not particualarly hard to work with.

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q3k 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We have the technology to have both - it's called a gasket.