| ▲ | twilo 10 hours ago |
| If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected. |
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| ▲ | manquer 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices You seem to referencing from a older exemption for self serviceability if your smartphone can do 1,000 cycles and retain 80% battery. Specifically - B 1.1 (1) (c) (ii) (b) . Here is the link - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Article 11 of the new regulation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...) covers exemptions but nothing to do with 1,000 cycles or Apple as far as i can see. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Your link says otherwise. From the Article 11 link, ANNEX II, A.1.1.(5): (a) From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for replacement of the display assembly and of parts referred to in point 1(a), with the exception of the battery or batteries, meets the following criteria: [...] [...] (c) From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for battery replacement: (i) meets the following criteria: — fasteners shall be resupplied or reusable; - the process for replacement shall be feasible with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools; — the process for replacement shall be able to be carried out in a use environment; — the process for replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman. (ii) or, as an alternative to point (i), ensure that: — the process for battery replacement meets the criteria set out in (a); — after 500 full charge cycles the battery must, in addition, have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 83 % of the rated capacity; — the battery endurance in cycles achieves a minimum of 1 000 full charge cycles, and after 1 000 full charge cycles the battery must, in addition, have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 80 % of the rated capacity; — the device is at least dust tight and protected against immersion in water up to one meter depth for a minimum of 30 minutes. --- So manufacturers must make the battery replaceable, or meet all the conditions from (a) for replacing non-battery components, and meet the 1000 cycle / 80% capacity requirement. | |
| ▲ | parl_match 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices It was not said that Apple was exempted. What was said is that Apple complied with the exemption rules. | | |
| ▲ | calf 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication. The replier then pointed out the exemption rule is outdated therefore the implied consequence is wrong and the original line of reasoning was misinformation, and thus would be the greater error. Humans | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The replier was wrong, though. They misread it and skipped over the part they thought wasn’t there. | |
| ▲ | parl_match 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication It really, really wasn't. All it said is that Apple became compliant with their current offerings. Now you're contorting to dig your heels in, so I think this conversation is over. Have a good day. |
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| ▲ | kube-system an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > covers exemptions but nothing to do with 1,000 cycles or Apple as far as i can see. It appears what you're looking for is in B(5)(c)(ii). > (c) From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for battery replacement: > (i) meets the following criteria: > — fasteners shall be resupplied or reusable; > — the process for replacement shall be feasible with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools; > — the process for replacement shall be able to be carried out in a use environment; > — the process for replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman. > (ii) or, as an alternative to point (i), ensure that > — the process for battery replacement meets the criteria set out in (a); > — after 500 full charge cycles the battery must have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 83 % of the rated capacity; > — the battery endurance in cycles achieves a minimum of 1 000 full charge cycles, and after 1 000 full charge cycles the battery must, in addition, have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 80 % of the rated capacity; > — the device is at least dust tight and protected against immersion in water up to one meter depth for a minimum of 30 minutes. | | |
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| ▲ | tim333 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was wondering about that. I lost my iPhone 13 mini the other day, did the find my phone beep thing and got a distant beep from my washing machine which was on wash cycle. Surprisingly the phone was fine and works fine after a brief rinse under the tap. It must be hard to combine that sort of water resistance with easy user changing. |
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| ▲ | mentalgear 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't fall for the 'glue cuz of protection' myth - there are and had been water-resistant phones way before Apple started glueing to avoid customers doing their own repairs and them losing out on new sales. | | |
| ▲ | Alupis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which phones? I ask as someone that's had to replace multiple phones after a trip through the washing machine. Modern phone water resistance is incredible. I've even seen people literally swim with their phones and not even question if it was a bad idea. | | |
| ▲ | mattkrause 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fifteen years ago, I had a Garmin GPS (admittedly not a phone, but similar form factor) that survived a week of knocking around the bottom of a raft. The battery compartment had a rubber gasket and some very tight screws. | | |
| ▲ | nine_k 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How much of the total volume of the device was the case/housing? I suppose the glue-everything approach is partly due to the desire of making a device very thin. There's no room for strong, load-bearing outer case, the internals are load-bearing. | | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You just need well designed rubber gasket. Thickness is impact resistance thing in those devices | |
| ▲ | mattkrause 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's been a long time, but the gasket itself was probably a millimetre or two thick, squeezed extremely tightly by the screws in the battery cover. It ran on AA or AAA batteries, and they took about about half or a third of the depth. |
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| ▲ | Groxx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Honestly I'd expect that to be SIGNIFICANTLY easier to waterproof than a laundry machine. Partly because laundry is sometimes done warm, and warm softens materials (like gaskets), but mostly because laundry has surfactants that considerably reduce surface tension, making it far easier to slip past gaps. There is a good reason waterproofing claims are specific about the kind of liquid (usually just fresh or salt water, usually without significant movement (i.e. jets, like you get in a shower)). |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Samsung still make the rugged Xcover range which has both replaceable batteries and waterproofing. And 3.5mm jacks too. These devices are mostly sold in enterprise environments (eg field use, factories) and as such get a lot of wear and tear. But they hold up well. They're not ultra rugged but a good compromise. We use tons of them in our factories, we replaced DECT handheld phones with the Xcovers loaded with ms teams. Not an ideal setup (teams for mobile kinda sucks) but at least this way they can easily communicate with people in the offices. | |
| ▲ | Sohcahtoa82 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I've even seen people literally swim with their phones and not even question if it was a bad idea. Which is funny to me, because even with an IP68 phone, I get worried if I even splash a little water on it. | |
| ▲ | tencentshill 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Samsung Galaxy S5 was the last one that attempted it. IP67 with a removable back cover and swappable battery. | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Japan only, but KDDI/Kyocera never stopped IP rated phones with removable battery. TORQUE G07(2026) is IP65/68/69 rated with a coin key locked removable back cover. It also officially support submersion in seawater as well as cleaning with soapy water. Most glued phones support neither. 1: https://k-tai.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/2088291.html | |
| ▲ | Alupis 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, but IP67 is not nearly as water resistant as IP68, which all modern phones are for the most part. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if IP68 could be achieved in a phone without glue. There's no clamping mechanism for the backs, they're just press-fit with small clips. | | |
| ▲ | retatop 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My phone (A Furiphone FLX1, which is kindof a variant of a Gigaset GX6) has a removable back with a gasket and is IP68. One of their promotional videos had them change the battery on video then boot the phone and and unlock it underwater | |
| ▲ | cannonpr 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From a mechanical perspective ip68 is perfectly achievable mechanically and watches have been achieving it for a long time, however… with what sort of margins for the manufacturer and what sort of cost for the consumer ? Additionally a lot of them require pretty carefully adherence to instructions torques and tolerances to achieve the same waterproof rating.
Personally I’d be very happy to have a phone that says, if you swap the battery you might lose the ip68 rating unless you follow the resealing process within tolerances. | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who cares though? Sealing the battery in makes the device less drop resistant. I somehow managed to avoid water damage to my phones for decades, while none of my phones managed to avoid being dropped in a way that would most likely be fatal to them if their batteries were sealed in - and yet most of them survived to this day. A phone needs to handle some rain droplets falling on its screen, anything more than that is a gimmick that's not worth the downsides it comes with. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > A phone needs to handle some rain droplets falling on its screen, anything more than that is a gimmick that's not worth the downsides it comes with. I submerge my phone as a matter of normal use because I can. I take it into pools and hot tubs, and I clean it in the sink -- I personally wouldn't trade that for a battery door. | |
| ▲ | cozzyd 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | quite a few people put their phones in their back pockets... | |
| ▲ | dmitrygr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Who cares though? a lot of normal people who daily-use their phones near water and even jump into pools with them. I would bet you $100 that if you asked people "replaceable battery of water proofing to the same level you have it now", ~ nobody will puck the former. | | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not once in my life I had thought "I would like to jump into this pool with my phone", while I did sometimes replace the battery on-the-go which actually made my life easier. It's an absurd take. If anything, I'd be more concerned with beverage spills, but these are still easier to avoid than drops. | | |
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| ▲ | jamiek88 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well you are the exception. Especially if you live in a hot area where a lot of people have backyard pools. Being in and out of the water constantly is a very normal in Florida for example. Most the suburban kids in Houston had wristband attachments to their phones in the pool or would be in a floaty taking stupid pics of each other as kids do. Trying to keep a modern phone dry takes away a lot of utility. | | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not a lot of people live in hot areas with plenty of backyard pools, but I can understand that waterproof phones could become more popular there than in the rest of the world based on this property alone (right now they're popular because there's not much choice). |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those people are doing a very stupid thing. I don't think that the world should be ordered around "let's make it so people can do stupid things without consequence". | | |
| ▲ | dmitrygr 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Those people are the public buying the phones. Companies make phones that more people will buy. Turns out your desire for a bulky phone with a replaceable battery is less common than their desire for a phone that does not get destroyed when dropped into a pool. |
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| ▲ | b112 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A phone needs to handle some rain droplets falling on its screen, anything more than that is a gimmick that's not worth the downsides it comes with Some like to read in the bathtub. Statistics say women prefer the bathtub more than the shower. Therefore your position is sexist. (Yes, I'm being an asshat) | |
| ▲ | jamiek88 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’ve done it and seen it many times. People throw their phones to each other in pools and the beach for photos all the time. One of the best things about modern phones is the waterproofing. IP68 level is amazing. > A phone needs to handle some rain droplets falling on its screen, anything more than that is a gimmick that's not worth the downsides it comes with It’s actually the opposite - a user replacement battery is a gimmick not worth the downsides. Apple know this, and they know their customers a lot better than you do. Your position is niche at best, anachronistic really. | | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apple has vested interest in getting their customers to switch to a new phone often, and the average time to upgrade is absurdly low these days (less than 4 years), which is greatly influenced by battery wear and fall damage, so I don't think this argument is very persuasive. | |
| ▲ | gf000 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > user replacement battery It's not really the old kind of replace-ability, though. The only requirement is that you should be able to change it with commercially available tools. |
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| ▲ | VorpalWay 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nothing stops them from adding a gasket and some screws though. | |
| ▲ | bananamogul 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe as a society it's better for people to have replacement insurance than to have sealed batteries that make phones so disposable. I wonder if we've defined IP68 as a "must have" without considering the alternatives. I'm thinking the percentage of people who actually "use" IP68 over the course of their phone is pretty small...yet that "requirement" drives a huge design choice. I suspect it's a moot point. Makers have every incentive to drive replacement cycles. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Spills and drops were traditionally most common causes of mobile device insurance claims. We've only seen that change for phones because of their IP ratings in recent years. While manufacturers do have an incentive to get people to buy new phones, many of them with first party insurance do have an incentive not to pay out as many claims. | |
| ▲ | bananamogul 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Downvoted for daring to speculate. I love this place. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You forget the Xcover and active lines which do IP68. They stopped making Galaxy active phones but the tabs are still there. The Xcovers too. |
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| ▲ | markus92 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Samsung Galaxy S5 is the first one to cross my mind. | |
| ▲ | e12e 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not really comparable perhaps - but I had a Ericsson t18s or similar that went through a full 60C cotton wash cycle (being on at the start of the wash) and was fine after drying off. The thing is - if the battery had been destroyed, that could have been replaced... |
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| ▲ | numpad0 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've seen rumors that Apple started waterproofing phones after Chinese criminal groups started farming parts on AppleCare by dumping the mainboard into buckets of Shenzhen seawater to deny electronic serial number readout. Your logic board can't be so dead from normal use that not even its PMIC respond to commands if it's waterproof. I've also had iPhone dying from gasket leaks, the circumferential double sided tape seal dries out after a while. | |
| ▲ | tim333 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Re the repairs, I can get the battery swapped on the 13 mini for £49 which isn't that bad. (iSmash, not Apple). | |
| ▲ | prism56 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also important to note that post is 1 datapoint. My "waterproof" phone fell in the bath for about 2 seconds and broke... | |
| ▲ | bitwize 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And they weren't bulky tactical phones that looked like the smartphone equivalent of Humvees? | | |
| ▲ | tastyfreeze 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Samsung xCover series phones are smaller than flagship phones with a case that many people add to achieve the same durability. |
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| ▲ | dlcarrier 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Conformal coating is a little more expensive than gasketing, but it works much, much better under pressure. Motorola does this. | |
| ▲ | iso1631 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Third parties offer new iphone batteries so it's clearly replaceable commercially |
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| ▲ | proee 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This could be "fixed" right now by a software update that limits the maximum charge level to 80% of capacity. However, this comes at the cost of how many minutes of runtime your phone can operate. So manufactures might just responds to this by making your phone heavier with a bigger battery that is being under utilized. |
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| ▲ | zbrozek 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This sounds great. I would've loved to have set my phone to charge up to only 60% or 80% of its design capacity to reduce wear. I do this on my laptop. | | |
| ▲ | spockz 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It has been on iPhones for quite some while, but on androids even longer. Before that it was in the form of some smart charging scheme that it would only finish charging until the moment it thought you would unplug it. | |
| ▲ | layer8 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It makes a bit of a difference, but not dramatically: https://youtu.be/kLS5Cg_yNdM?t=3m26 In that experiment, it’s also unclear if the 30% lower limit or the 80% upper limit is more important. I suspect the former. | |
| ▲ | stanac 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I charge my s25 to 80%. Previous phone (pixel) was also limited to 80%, but radio stopped working after 2 years so I had to buy a new phone. | | |
| ▲ | zormino 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same for my s24, 80% battery limit and slow charging at night (most of my charging). It's been over 2 years and the battery seems to last just as long as day one |
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| ▲ | Shacklz 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Honestly we should define 80% as the new "100%" on such batteries and label "charging to full" as "overcharging". Psychologically, people understand charging a battery to "125%" (or whatever) a lot better: Do it when you really need to but if you do it all the time it wears down the battery a lot faster. | | |
| ▲ | kolinko an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Nice idea. I think the reason it's not communicated as such is that then companies would be expected to advertise time on battery when charged to 100%, not 125%. | |
| ▲ | bananamogul 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes and yes. I recently investigated large portable power banks (Jackery, etc.) and like that there are options to charge faster with a battery life tradeoff. Let people make their own informed choices. |
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| ▲ | UltraSane 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Samsung phones let you limit them to 80% charge. I've had this enabled since I got my current phone. | | |
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| ▲ | Bad_CRC 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And what about if 4 years they says that they have dettected a problem in your battery? A new battery should fix that but now you cannot do it properly because it could do 1000 cycles. This same thing happened to Pixels 6a after 500 cycles. |
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| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then don’t buy a phone from a company with a piss poor record of customer service. Just looking in maps, there are three Apple Stores within a 45 minute drive from where I live in central Florida. The situation is worse in my hometown in South GA admittedly, you have to drive 70 miles for same day service for an authorized repair place - mostly Best Buy. | | |
| ▲ | Samson_Corwell 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Then don’t buy a phone from a company with a piss poor record of customer service. That is not an argument. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s a perfect argument- use your own agency and intelligence to choose products from reliable companies instead of depending on the government. It’s like complaining about items from TEMU aren’t high quality and expecting the government to do more. |
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| ▲ | george_perez 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where did you see this? Can't see that in the article or a quick search on the rules PDF. |
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| ▲ | loremium 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What if they don't? What if there are manufacturer errors? What if they burn your battery with updates along the way? |
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| ▲ | ebbi 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > What if there are manufacturer errors? Typically that's subject to some sort of recall or remediation through a service centre? |
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| ▲ | mzmzmzm 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder if this is part of why Apple is behind most competitors in terms of fast charging. Would almost make marketing sense to come out and say it at this point. |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are they behind? AFAIK the Pixel and the iPhone both typically charge in the ~25W range but can support up to ~45W. |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Low cost phones will be most affected. Not really. Take a 4000 mAh rated cell, advertise it as "rated for 3500 mAh" and that's it. |
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| ▲ | LeonidasXIV 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Isn't this pretty much what Nothing are doing? At least one of their phones has a different battery rating in India than elsewhere, despite containing the same hardware. |
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| ▲ | HunOL 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't like most of the new phones claim at least 1000 cycles? |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The goal should be reducing e-waste, and honestly this seems reasonable. I’d rather get the additional structural rigidity, compactness, and weatherproofing that comes from the tight construction and then pay $99 to have Apple professionally install a new battery for me in 3-4 years. Forcing everyone’s iPhone to take all of the tradeoffs of replaceable batteries so some people can save $50 to replace their own battery isn’t a good deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if forcing all phones to have easily replaceable batteries would result in a net increase in e-waste due to the additional failure modes introduced. Even if batteries were easily replaceable I think most iPhone users would have Apple do it for them anyway. I’ve also replaced some iPhone batteries myself and it’s really not that bad if you are familiar with taking modern electronics apart. Apple will send you the entire toolkit if you want complete with a return label. |
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| ▲ | buran77 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Forcing everyone’s iPhone to take all of the tradeoffs of replaceable batteries so some people can save $50 to replace their own battery isn’t a good deal. This sounds like the exact opposite of real life. Every battery ages to the point of uselessness, not every phone gets to take a dive. It's not a stretch to say most phones never see more than some rain or a spilled drink. But the worst part of every discussion on this topic is this false (uninformed) dichotomy that water resistance and easily replaceable battery are mutually exclusive. | |
| ▲ | nottorp 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > and then pay $99 to have Apple professionally install a new battery for me in 3-4 years In 3-4 years yes, but how about in 10-15 years? Apple will refuse to take your money then. > Apple will send you the entire toolkit if you want complete with a return label. Which is malicious compliance. They should allow the friendly neighborhood repair shop to purchase a toolkit so you can choose who does the repairs for you. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Apple will refuse to take your money then. They still offer battery service for iPhone 6. > They should allow the friendly neighborhood repair shop to purchase a toolkit They do. My friendly neighborhood repair shop a couple miles away has the same tools and parts Apple uses themselves at their Store. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Since when? Last time i read about the Apple "DIY" kit it was only a loan and only for ... doing it yourself. But then I haven't broken a phone in a while so I haven't really talked to my friendly neighborhood repair shop. That only because my daughter finally grew up, they remembered me at the shop back when she was young :) | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is the DIY program, and the Independent Repair Program [0]. > That only because my daughter finally grew up, they remembered me at the shop back when she was young Ha! This is so relatable right now. My daughter is 15 and recently has been learning to drive, and last week she taught herself what happens if you set your iPhone on top of the car and then drive off. That is the only reason I've got familiarity with my local friendly neighborhood repair shop, I've never broken one of my own phones in all these years. Fortunately this life lesson only cost her the $39 deductible. Glad I decided that a 15 year old getting her first phone needed an insurance plan. [0] https://support.apple.com/irp-program |
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| ▲ | dpkirchner 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Apple offers replacement batteries for an 11 year old phone, now -- past performance is no guarantee but they're already way, way ahead of the pack and there's no sign they're going to stop repairing old phones. | |
| ▲ | nine_k 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Will we even have a compatible wireless standards in 15 years? | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Probably. I mean, I don't even remember what standard my home wifi is on. It works, it's fast enough. Sometimes I think about upgrading the AP but why bother? | | |
| ▲ | nine_k 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | 3G was up for about 20 years, between roll-out and shutdown. LTE has been up for 15 year in the US as of now. Chances are it may not be up after another 15 years. |
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| ▲ | raverbashing 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Funnily enough I've had a "low cost phone" with replaceable batteries (the "old school way") So it does not seem a big deal |
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| ▲ | iso1631 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 1000 cycles is barely 3 years, that's far too low a number |
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| ▲ | 0xffff2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1 Cycle is discharging from 100-0 and charging from 0-100, regardless of how many times the phone is charged, so for a user that averages 50% battery drain each day, 1000 cycles would actually be ~6 years. I have no idea what the actual average is, but I'm betting that 1000 cycles is at least 4 years for the average user and possibly significantly longer. | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cycles are not days. My 7 month-old phone is currently sitting at 55 cycles. At that rate it would take me ~10 years to reach 1000 cycles. It isn't quite that linear in practice but realistically it will still be at least 5+ years. | | |
| ▲ | cdmoyer 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My phone is from December 2023, so 28 months and is at 842 cycles (and 85% max capacity). So, about 33 months at this rate. |
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| ▲ | AdrianB1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 6-7 years for me on the current phone, double on the previous one. 7 years is a good limit. |
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| ▲ | Hamuko 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wish they'd have implemented it before the iPhone 14 Pro launched. I'm at 624 cycles right now and my phone's gone below 80% fucking ages ago. |
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| ▲ | 46493168 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apple’s replacement program is $99 for out of warranty battery replacement | | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really. The "estimated cost" on Apple.com is 139€ to 199€ depending on which company I take it. |
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| ▲ | jkestner 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My battery’s at 70%, I could replace it for $50, but I consider it a feature to get me off my goddamn phone more. | |
| ▲ | frizlab 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The regulation states that batteries must be removable using ‘commercially available’ tools I’m pretty sure that’s more or less already the case, so… |
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| ▲ | oybng 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is 1000 cycles above 80% even possible without gimping the device like apple does with all its hardware? |