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Aurornis 6 hours ago

The goal should be reducing e-waste, and honestly this seems reasonable.

I’d rather get the additional structural rigidity, compactness, and weatherproofing that comes from the tight construction and then pay $99 to have Apple professionally install a new battery for me in 3-4 years. Forcing everyone’s iPhone to take all of the tradeoffs of replaceable batteries so some people can save $50 to replace their own battery isn’t a good deal.

I wouldn’t be surprised if forcing all phones to have easily replaceable batteries would result in a net increase in e-waste due to the additional failure modes introduced. Even if batteries were easily replaceable I think most iPhone users would have Apple do it for them anyway.

I’ve also replaced some iPhone batteries myself and it’s really not that bad if you are familiar with taking modern electronics apart. Apple will send you the entire toolkit if you want complete with a return label.

buran77 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Forcing everyone’s iPhone to take all of the tradeoffs of replaceable batteries so some people can save $50 to replace their own battery isn’t a good deal.

This sounds like the exact opposite of real life. Every battery ages to the point of uselessness, not every phone gets to take a dive. It's not a stretch to say most phones never see more than some rain or a spilled drink. But the worst part of every discussion on this topic is this false (uninformed) dichotomy that water resistance and easily replaceable battery are mutually exclusive.

nottorp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> and then pay $99 to have Apple professionally install a new battery for me in 3-4 years

In 3-4 years yes, but how about in 10-15 years? Apple will refuse to take your money then.

> Apple will send you the entire toolkit if you want complete with a return label.

Which is malicious compliance. They should allow the friendly neighborhood repair shop to purchase a toolkit so you can choose who does the repairs for you.

rootusrootus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Apple will refuse to take your money then.

They still offer battery service for iPhone 6.

> They should allow the friendly neighborhood repair shop to purchase a toolkit

They do. My friendly neighborhood repair shop a couple miles away has the same tools and parts Apple uses themselves at their Store.

nottorp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Since when? Last time i read about the Apple "DIY" kit it was only a loan and only for ... doing it yourself.

But then I haven't broken a phone in a while so I haven't really talked to my friendly neighborhood repair shop. That only because my daughter finally grew up, they remembered me at the shop back when she was young :)

rootusrootus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There is the DIY program, and the Independent Repair Program [0].

> That only because my daughter finally grew up, they remembered me at the shop back when she was young

Ha! This is so relatable right now. My daughter is 15 and recently has been learning to drive, and last week she taught herself what happens if you set your iPhone on top of the car and then drive off. That is the only reason I've got familiarity with my local friendly neighborhood repair shop, I've never broken one of my own phones in all these years. Fortunately this life lesson only cost her the $39 deductible. Glad I decided that a 15 year old getting her first phone needed an insurance plan.

[0] https://support.apple.com/irp-program

dpkirchner 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple offers replacement batteries for an 11 year old phone, now -- past performance is no guarantee but they're already way, way ahead of the pack and there's no sign they're going to stop repairing old phones.

nine_k 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Will we even have a compatible wireless standards in 15 years?

nottorp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Probably. I mean, I don't even remember what standard my home wifi is on. It works, it's fast enough. Sometimes I think about upgrading the AP but why bother?

nine_k 3 hours ago | parent [-]

3G was up for about 20 years, between roll-out and shutdown.

LTE has been up for 15 year in the US as of now. Chances are it may not be up after another 15 years.