| ▲ | antirez 9 hours ago |
| I moved two servers, one from Linode and the other from DO to Hetzner a few months ago, with similar savings. The best part was that the two servers had tens of different sites running, implemented in different languages, with obsolete libraries, MySQL and Redis instances. A total mess. Well: Claude Code migrated it all, sometimes rewriting parts when the libraries where no longer available. Today complex migrations are much simpler to perform, which, I believe, will increase the mobility across providers a lot. |
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| ▲ | p_stuart82 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| IMO nobody was paying for magic compute. they're paying to not touch ten years of glue. if agents eat that glue, the moat gets thin fast. |
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| ▲ | grim_io 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > agents eat that glue No wonder they hallucinate :) | | | |
| ▲ | drewnick 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem is a lot of this glue is proprietary by design at the various cloud services. I realize there are open source and alternative abstractions for a lot of of the same services, but there’s still quite a bit of glue if you’re on AWS, for example, and looking to move to bare metal. But maybe I’m just thinking of the current capabilities of agents, and if we fast forward a couple years, even removing these abstractions or migrating will be very low friction. | | |
| ▲ | reillyse 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | But you can run most of the glue on your own dedicated instances. I run k8s on a bunch of dedicated servers that are super cheap and I have all bells and whistles - just tell your coding agent to do it. You can literally design the thing you would never do yourself and it works brilliantly. Postgres running on dedicated hardware replicated and with wal backups - easy just tell codebuff (my harness of choice) to do it. Then any number of firewalls, load balancers, bastion servers, etc. if you can imagine it , codebuff will implement it. |
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| ▲ | zamadatix 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, at the last job there was a single outdated external wiki server left sitting in DO for those kinds of reasons while everything updated and internal had moved already (if not twice). If it hadn't become such a security risk it would never have been moved. |
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| ▲ | rustyhancock 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow a Claude add embedded into a Hetzner add. How deep does this go? |
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| ▲ | sph 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have just seen with my own eyes Claude astroturfing on a gamedev subreddit from a botting account that was picked up by Google so I could see a few of their other comments. This account's operation was going on development subs complaining about how good Claude's latest model is and how awful it is being afraid of losing one's job to AI. I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek and the poster here is kinda known, but this kind of astroturfing is a new low and it's everywhere on forums such as these. | | |
| ▲ | Aurornis 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I see a lot of these posts on Reddit, too, but I don't think it's actually Anthropic or Claude doing it. It's the same old Reddit karma farmers picking up on the latest trends. They've always combined headlines with ragebait to build karma and now LLM bots make it easier than ever. It's too bad Reddit allows accounts to hide their comment history now. That was an easy way to identify bot accounts before they started allowing accounts to hide their post history | | |
| ▲ | AlecSchueler 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is a pity but on the bright side it also helps people to avoid being stalked and harassed. |
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| ▲ | rdevilla 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The whole internet is like this now, and it's only just getting started. Makes me sick tbh, and I am still questioning if this is the kind of industry I want to work in. | | |
| ▲ | MikeNotThePope 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For those who remember Digg, the recently relaunched a new version and shut it down almost immediately. They were getting hammered with AI bots when it was realized the Digg apparently still has good SEO. The explain it right on homepage. https://digg.com/ | | | |
| ▲ | sph 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I am still questioning if this is the kind of industry I want to work in I'm not. I stick around for the popcorn, and I'm not gonna miss the schadenfreude in a few years. | |
| ▲ | iririririr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | Bridged7756 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been warning people of Anthropic's astroturfing for a while now. The amount of "Insert latest model/Claude Code is scary. I'm worried about my job" posts, followed by a doom ridden writing about how their job was automated and 30 dudes got fired and the person is pivoting into plumbing or something or working at Mcdonalds, is just too suspicious not to note. Sometimes it's more covert. They don't mention any provider/model. Sometimes there's a subtle insert somewhere in the body, Opus, Claude, etc. | |
| ▲ | refulgentis 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was really confused, then, realized the person you’re replying to misspelled “ad” as "add", and you’re moving forward with the premises GP is an ad, and this HN submission is an ad. Then, you share you saw a Reddit account on a gamedev subreddit complaining AI is too good, & they're worried they won’t have a job, and you believe that Reddit account must have been an ad for AI. Just noting for fellow just-waking-up people (edit: OP edited) | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not necessarily astroturfing. There is a seismic shift under way regarding how things get done in this business, and if you don't acknowledge it, that's weird in itself. | | |
| ▲ | ozmodiar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've certainly noticed a seismic shift in how bad support and updates have gotten with some 3rd party vendors we use, and the answer they come back with is always that they're experimenting with AI. Not saying AI isn't part of the job now, but it is getting seriously over hyped and over extended. | |
| ▲ | oulipo2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's absolutely not seismic. If you've used AI for a little bit, you'll realize it's good at writing boilerplate code. Any complex logic, and you better re-read and correct the code a few times until you trust it. Of course if all you do is "host wordpress website" (like 80% of what's "webdev" do), it will work. Now the issue is that the last 20% are the hardest to cover, and current AI methods will not get there (you need some much more complex methods, like being able to integrate logic with learning-based ML, to do this) |
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| ▲ | godot 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would seem that way for sure, if it was just a random anon posting it, but the person you're replying to is the creator of Redis so I feel it's more likely a genuine opinion/experience rather than a Claude ad... | |
| ▲ | atherton94027 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is the redis guy you're replying to, I doubt he's on Claude's payroll | |
| ▲ | jnwatson 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it is more the other direction. I asked Claude how to save money on my cloud costs, and it suggested migrating from DO to Hetzner. | |
| ▲ | antirez 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "ad", with a single "d". So it's a Claude ad inside a Hetzner ad inside a decent grammar ad. | | |
| ▲ | airstrike 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't forget the ad hominem | | |
| ▲ | zephen 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The amount of ad populum around this issue certainly reaches ad absurdum levels. |
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| ▲ | brianwawok 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You forgot that this entire forum is a VC/incubator ad. Its ads all the way down. | |
| ▲ | mirekrusin 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ad for which elementary school? | |
| ▲ | FEELmyAGI 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Come on can you really nitpick grammar when your original message contains: "when the libraries where[sic] no longer available" Btw this type of grammar error can be found by proofreading your posts with ChatGPT powered OpenClaw assistant. | | |
| ▲ | antirez 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was joking. I notoriously write bad English but don't like using LLMs for writing. It removes personality. |
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| ▲ | rpcope1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean if it were anyone else, yeah I might agree, but I think Salvatore is being genuine here (and have seen Claude do a similarly surprising job fixing ops issues). | | |
| ▲ | conradfr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On the other hand he has totally drunk the Kool-AI(d). | |
| ▲ | oulipo2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't think so. I think he's clearly abusing language (saying "Claude Code migrated the stufff", rather than "I migrated the stuff after using Claude to help write boilerplate, then I went on double-checking it, testing it, and then running it") | | |
| ▲ | pythonaut_16 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think you've nailed it either. He SHOULD be saying "54 days ago, I powered on my computer and opened a terminal. From my editor I reviewed my code files and realized I had quite a mess on my hands. Realizing it was the year A.D. 2026, I decided to fire up a modern tool. I typed "claude" into my terminal. As it launched I told it I wanted helping taking my running programs and moving them from the virtual private servers I was running in Linode (inc) and Digital Ocean (co) to Hetzner (LLC). As Claude used it's tool use abilities it read the files and made suggestions on how to do the migrations, it indicated that it could go ahead and copy the files and run the needed commands but I would need to give it permission first. I granted it permission. Once it said the services were running, I instructed it to test that they were accessible and reliable while I reviewed the glowing new code it had written. In summary, with the help of Claude Code I was able to redeploy 37 services in Hetzner." | | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the parent has a point. For how many other accomplishments is the tool framed as the responsible party? We don't say "cranes built the skyscraper", people did. Why do we shift accountability when it comes to AI? | | |
| ▲ | grim_io 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you vaguely describe to the crane what you want built, and it builds it, then I'd say the crane built it. | |
| ▲ | democracy 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because it shows you are hip and trendy and MAYBE you deserve a job in the AI era | |
| ▲ | minimaxir an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | For clarity and accuracy, in the hopes that the person reading it interprets in good faith. |
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| ▲ | tmpz22 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its certainly a choice to accuse antirez of all people | | | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | By this logic your most recent comment was just an ad for Netflix. | | |
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| ▲ | fuckinpuppers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Linode is going to lose my business in the next couple months as well. Been there over a decade, have referred countless customers to them, but they’ve kept bumping up prices over and over and I can get a dedicated server at Hetzner or other places with 8x the memory, dedicated NVMe disks, dedicated CPU for cheaper. Sure you lose a little of the benefit of a “virtual” server which can be migrated but Hetzner’s support has always been super fast and capable, should I wind up in a situation where I’ve got downtime. |
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| ▲ | tannhaeuser 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not every fscking story has to be about AI. |
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| ▲ | freedomben 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They didn't make it about AI, they mentioned a tool that helped with the migration. I find it relevant and helpful to know. I don't see it as much different from "I used script X to do it" or something. | | |
| ▲ | TheLML 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Excuse my ignorance, but how is that migration (especially of older libraries that are apparently being rewritten) not just a copy/paste action from one server to the other? When I build software to deploy it it includes everything it requires library wise. At least the few things I've deployed so far. | | |
| ▲ | simonw 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You have to copy data across, and confirm that everything worked correctly, and if you're being fancy about it you need to freeze writes to the old server while you are migrating and then unfreeze after you've directed traffic to the new server. It's not trivial. | |
| ▲ | orthecreedence an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sometimes you need library version X, which uses a compiled binary for the platform, which requires C library version Y, which requires glibc version Z, which is deprecated on the current version of the OS, etc etc etc. Or you can update the app to remove the dependency on the library. But honestly, this is what containers or VMs are built for in the first place. |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't see what checking a file system has to do with anything either. | |
| ▲ | sph 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They really can't help themselves showing how they didn't put any effort doing a thing. | | | |
| ▲ | nutjob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You may not be interested in AI, but AI is interested in you. | | |
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| ▲ | drewnick 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I too, am bravely using Claude for more DevOps. I run all of my virtual machines on proxmox atop bare metal servers I own and I’m just blown away at how quickly Claude can optimize and set up entire new networks across all of these machines. Truly feels like a coworker or well paid sysadmin. |
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| ▲ | qudat 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve been experimenting with letting a local agent manipulate my remote servers using https://bower.sh/zmx-ai-portal What’s exciting is how simple cli tools can be so impactful to dev workflows |
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| ▲ | jgalt212 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Today complex migrations are much simpler to perform, which, I believe, will increase the mobility across providers a lot. Syntax did a nice episode on this topic recently. They went over where it works well, and where it does not work well. https://syntax.fm/show/992/migrating-legacy-code-just-got-ea... |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Now imagine you can do that with a local model. You're basically breaking lockin on _Every_ end. Simply beautiful. A digital guillotine for the digital elite! |
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| ▲ | oulipo2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, and then you realize it deleted the db to "simplify the migration" lol Obviously I agree that AI can be useful to write boilerplate, but it's in no way something you should use blindly when trying to do a migration or anything touching prod So, to be more precise: no, "Claude Code didn't migrate it all". Claude Code helped you write boilerplate so that you could migrate |
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| ▲ | 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | zephen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Claude gave him the courage to do the migration. And, recent research suggests that anthropomorphization may actually be positively correlated with intelligence. |
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| ▲ | m00dy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| yeah, everything is about to be repriced. |