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scrumper 7 hours ago

Two things:

- I like the rolling Moon animation very much.

- This seems like a clever way of getting talent involved during a budget squeeze, presumably with the hope that some of those they attract will still be around after this congress and the agency can stabilize once again. I guess it's also a neat kind of try-before-you-buy for both sides. NASA is prestigious and one of the very few places one could do purely science-focused aerospace engineering, but it's still a government job under all the gold leaf and atomic robots.

EDIT: Good Lord, I get the cynicism but at least someone at NASA HR is trying new things to keep the lights on.

sailfast 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They had these kinds of programs for a long time, but many of the engineers were vilified and the programs disbanded as soon as this administration took office. I'm not sure why someone would sign up to work for a government that has no respect for its employees (or a company for that matter) if they already have gainful employment.

In fact, a bunch of NASA labs were recently closed where folks with this exact skillset could do these exact jobs. Why re-post under a different skin and expect a different result?

OhMeadhbh 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well... the TSA was a jobs program for people who couldn't or didn't want to get jobs as cops. Stennis (Space Flight Center) is a jobs program for Aero Engineering grads to keep them from going to work in Europe or India. Who knows... we might need them to design newer expensive missile systems sometime.

There are all these 30-60 year old engineers who look like they should be good hires on paper, but the tech economy has been pooping out bullshit products (and jobs) for the last 20 years. The last "real" job I had... my official role was to sit at a desk and "coordinate" development. While no one was looking, I wrote code and passed it off to a dev in India to check in (US engineers weren't allowed to check in code.) My job at Amazon was similar... the higher up the food chain you went, the less management understood what engineers did (modulo a few notable exceptions -- the guy who ran Route 53 when it launched was amazingly tech saavy for a VP level manager.)

There's only so much idiocy you can expect the tech industry to digest. It's time to send engineers to the government so they can write documents about how we should evaluate the requirements for evaluation criteria.

DaiPlusPlus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> I wrote code and passed it off to a dev in India to check in (US engineers weren't allowed to check in code.)

...usually it's the other way around.

May I ask what the situation was? Reverse-outsourcing by the Indian central government?

jimmydddd 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not OP. Sounds like he was considered to be a manager and wasn't allowed to get into the weeds. So instead of just managing the off shore team, he wrote some of the code for them and then let them take credit for it.

stronglikedan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> many of the engineers were vilified and the programs disbanded as soon as this administration took office

they may have trimmed some fat, which is normal and necessary, but it's disingenuous to say that "engineers were vilified"

ahhhhnoooo 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They fired talented engineers and technologists because they were trans.

It's not a meritocracy right now. Good people were fired based on their identity alone.

dboreham 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The entire DOGE program was an exercise in vilifiaction.

ImPostingOnHN 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> they may have trimmed some fat, which is normal and necessary, but it's disingenuous to say that "engineers were vilified"

You can always tell when someone is embarrassed to defend something (especially hurting people), when they have to mask it in ambiguous, impassive terms and stale euphemisms.

He didn't fire thousands of good people, human beings who have to worry about putting food on the table now, for purely ideological reasons, while vilifying them as "woke", unqualified, doing work not worth doing (only to open the same positions back up now, because it turns out it was). No, he just "trimmed the fat".

Oh, did people get hurt? Did we waste money and lose expertise for nothing? No, we just "trimmed the fat". Gotta "trim the fat", right? "Trimming the fat" is normal and necessary, and if I say something is just "trimming the fat", that's all it is.

thegrim33 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> budget squeeze

>> will still be around after this congress and the agency can stabilize once again

2026 budget - 24.4 billion

2025 budget - 24.8 billion

2024 budget - 25.3 billion

2023 budget - 25.3 billion

2022 budget - 24.0 billion

2021 budget - 23.2 billion

2020 budget - 22.6 billion

2019 budget - 21.5 billion

2018 budget - 20.7 billion

2017 budget - 19.6 billion

2016 budget - 19.2 billion

What part of these numbers are you interpreting as some sort of insane budget restriction?

aaronharnly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

2027 White House proposed budget[1]: $18.8 billion

2026 White House proposed budget[2]: $18.8 billion

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/budget...

[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fiscal...

[2] is represented as deltas, explainer here https://spacenews.com/white-house-budget-proposal-would-phas...

casefields an hour ago | parent [-]

Congress passes the budget since they have the power of the purse. Presidents have requested all sorts of nonsense to appease the base.

SilentM68 an hour ago | parent [-]

That is true, but in all fairness, every politician has at one time, or another requested all sorts of nonsense to appease the base, not just presidents hence the term "political lobbying". If you look up the definition of 'politics," it's the method or strategy: sometimes used to describe the tactics, schemes, or "art" used to gain influence, sometimes carrying a negative connotation of manipulation or intrigue. Everybody has done it since the beginning of time :|

zamadatix 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

24.4 in 2026 is less than 19.2 in 2016. I wouldn't call it a giant squeeze or anything though, but these raw numbers almost imply the opposite kind of misunderstanding.

SiempreViernes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The admin has tried two times in a row to cut the total budget by 20%, and the science budget by 50%

So, probably that squeeze?

nine_k 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are these numbers adjusted for inflation? $19.2B in 20216 dollars would be $26.4B in 2026 dollars.

VanTheBrand an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Accounting for inflation the 2026 budget is 2 Billion less than the 2016 budget.

andrewstuart 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re kinda implying that there’s a few people standing around in a shed, and that really don’t cost too much.

chrisweekly 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for your positive framing and pushback against (possibly knee-jerk) cynicism.

Unrelated tangent: saw HackerSmacker in your profile, plan to try it out, wish it supported iOS.

porridgeraisin 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't most of the actual aerospace R&D work contracted out?

jvanderbot 6 hours ago | parent [-]

No

porridgeraisin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

What kind of research happens outside academia-attached labs like JPL and outside MIC firms like lockheed/boeing?

robotresearcher 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ingenuity (Mars helicopter) had researchers at Ames and Langley Research Centers, for example. Super cool IMHO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenuity_(helicopter)

OhMeadhbh 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are a fair number of engineers at centers (Stennis, Ames, Kennedy, etc.) that are government employees. When I was NASA-adjacent, it seemed they wrote the specs and testing regimes. I think the government even did some of the testing with government-employed test engineers and technicians. But yeah, a lot of the manufacturing is done by contractors.

There's a joke in the aero world that F-16s are designed by people Ph.D.'s, manufactured by people with Masters degrees, flown by people with a Batchelor's degree in History and maintained by people with a High School Diploma.

It turns out you have to make jobs for people at all levels of education and experience.

porridgeraisin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Makes sense. What about on the basic research side? Is that done mostly through academia grants or are there in-house folks in the centers?

jvanderbot 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Each NASA center maintains in-house engineers and scientists, if for no other reason than to oversee and critique contracted work.

But in reality they do significant amounts of directed research using "burden" funded research for their on internal needs, and grant work for NASA and other agencies (like DOE).

I worked at JPL, and worked with folks at Ames for various reasons. Both centers try to carve out enough internal time to research new mission concepts, new ways of accomplishing existing mission concepts, or new basic technologies that have dual use for missions/commercial appliations. All of this would qualify as basic research similar to what would happen at Caltech or Stanford, the nearby official/unofficial partners.

I attended all kinds of conferences and agency-level meetings with researchers from many other agencies / nasa centers as well, all mostly aimed at finding out how to better explore space (new missions), or improve our existing exploration capabilities, either with new or by adapting existing tech.

NASA has an entire reporting pipeline called "New Technology Reports" that makes all of this research immediately public, and a deep tradition of spinning off commercial businesses to carry it forward if it turns out to be a good idea.

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tjwebbnorfolk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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digitaltrees 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s not even remotely true and is a trite dismissal of legitimate criticism. Further, even though this might be an exciting concept, when put in the context of the massive budget cuts to nasa specifically it’s hard to fully celebrate what might be more a PR stunt than a meaningful commitment to science and exploration.

LorenDB 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think Jared Isaacman is interested in PR stunts. He actually seems to care about the science and exploration parts of NASA. Actually, he seems to care about all of NASA.

threetonesun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The $20 billion dollar moon base didn't seem like an announcement grounded in reality, although maybe that was less a PR stunt than the fact that NASA must (literally) shoot for the moon to stay politically relevant.

esseph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> The $20 billion dollar moon base didn't seem like an announcement grounded in reality

While I can't comment on the cost per say, there are both military and capitalistic reasons for the race to the moon.

bakies 5 hours ago | parent [-]

is there?

esseph an hour ago | parent [-]

- Deep space surveillance

- Logistics Hub

- "Get there quickly and set legal precedent"

- Resource extraction (helium-3, gold, platinum, etc)

- If moon dust can be converted to oxygen reliably, the first company or country to set up shop on the moon can sell that service to countries and commercial entities.

- Unique manufacturing and science activities because of the low gravity

- "Space Tourism"

ButlerianJihad 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Isaacman definitely did not pass up his golden opportunity on Pesach to light the most epic menorah the world has ever seen!

partiallypro 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I read enough HN to know what it is -absolutely- true. HN comments, including this thread, often just read like BlueSky screeds half the time the US, US government or Sam Altman/Elon Musk/etc are mentioned.

They all deserve criticism, but when that's all a thread turns into when these items come up, well the discussion becomes very hollow and partisan really quickly.

arikrahman 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are users or bots that post political headlines on here with an obvious one-sided bias and do it to farm points, similar to Reddit. It'd be nice to have an impartial forum but it always seems to devolve into an echo chamber.

esseph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> There are users or bots that post political headlines on here with an obvious one-sided bias

So, humans that are extremely upset with the current state of things.

> and do it to farm points

I'm sure some do, but have you seen how many people across the US have been having protests? People are pissed.

I'm pretty sure your analysis of the motivations would not at all be accurate with such a blanket statement.

arikrahman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Your statement that it's humans and dismissing botted activity is a blanket statement, whereas I never used absolute language.

If it's a human getting up and rushing to to write about promoted ragebait content devolving a forum into an echo chamber, of course someone takes the bait and lists grievances in hysterical language unsolicited. Such emotionality is totally uncalled for on a tech forum, and proves my point.

esseph an hour ago | parent [-]

> Such emotionality is totally uncalled for on a tech forum

Only when the robots fully take over. It's one of many things that separate us from the machines. Dismissing emotions is dismissing humanity.

lovich 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And from my side of politics it seems like every thread about that group has a handful of dick riders who will stand for zero criticism of their cult leaders.

singleshot_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not true; I'm a huge fan of USAID

tialaramex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be remarkable if random flailing didn't result in at least one good outcome, and sure enough Trump seems to have unblocked Federal action to eliminate pennies, which is one of those "obviously a good idea but..." things you would never get by ordinary Presidents.

However "Finally deleting the worthless penny" is not a big achievement and so it's understandable that you mistook "Trump constantly does incredibly bad things nobody likes" for them disapproving universally of all US Federal government activity.

arikrahman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's intriguing because little tech as well as big supported the current admin, and installed J.D. Vance to make good on Thiel's $15 million to his campaign.

raw_anon_1111 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not reflexive criticism. Why would anyone work for sn organization where the CEO continuously criticizes its workers and treats them badly. Would you work for Twitter?

I don’t know enough about the current NASA administration so it isn’t a criticism toward them. But it roles up to the top.

Just like if I were in the medical field - why would I work for the CDC now?

russellbeattie 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Suspicion, doubt and negativity is the default for this administration not the exception, for legitimate reasons.

It's always hard to get tell with you people whether your attempt at trolling is based on willful ignorance, maliciousness or immaturity. Probably all three.

bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can certainly like it, it's just hard justifying your stance when things go sideways (eg. DOGE and the leaked Social Security data).

itsdesmond 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s not that you’re willfully ignorant of the critique, you already know what it is. It’s TDS. Case closed.

Pre-sorting all criticism as reflexive and not necessarily justified is a rationalization for you not trying to understand other perspectives.

Edit: it seems like my message was ambiguous. Fuck Donald Trump, I’ve got a bottle to pop when he dies and I’ll never let you fuckers live down what you’ve done.

arikrahman 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well said, although there are legitimate critiques of the admin to be had even from the well-adjusted, especially recently.

leptons 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"TDS" is not a thing. It's a made-up term that people accuse others of, because they can't cover up a felonious president's many failings, lies, graft, and corruption. You use it to try to discredit a person who is rightly criticizing criminality, but you only discredit yourself when you use "TDS".

itsdesmond 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I, the person you replied to, was mocking the concept of TDS. I apologize if my intent was unclear to you, I’ll try harder in the future.

arikrahman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hysterical nonsense like this just lends credence to TDS

krapp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>EDIT: Good Lord, I get the cynicism but at least someone at NASA HR is trying new things to keep the lights on.

Why bother? Americans clearly don't believe in science anymore, and the American government can't be trusted to fund it properly, or to not rewrite or defund research because of wrongthink or "DEI."

If I were working for NASA, or even a possible candidate for working for NASA, I'd get my passport in order and look for greener pastures. Sure, the pay may not be the best but at least you aren't working for Nazis and pedophiles who believe in space demons and miasma theory.

(oops I did a cynicism.)

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

> (oops I did a cynicism.)

That's not cynicism, that's... something else.