| ▲ | Fordec 2 hours ago |
| Of course, there is indeed no shame. There is also no pride. Standardized interfaces are as exciting as kettle thermal switches or physical knobs in cars. Useful, probably optimal and will be around for decades to come. Also nobody talks about it, treats it with interest, or pays above market rate to work on it. The value becomes the architecture of the value of the tool, not the interface. There is still value being generated, but the need for a highly paid UX designer evaporates, and is ultimately replaced by the above. |
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| ▲ | jrimbault 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Of course, there is indeed no shame. There is also no pride. But there's is "pride" in making tools people actually use without issue |
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| ▲ | Thanemate 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | True, but why would people use yet another lookalike tool over the one they're currently using? Or is the implication that looks don't matter as long as it works? Because if that's the case, Why do we need CSS? | | |
| ▲ | prmph 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | the beauty is in the consistency. why do we build with right angles, straight lines, regular curves, etc? Why not random angles, crooked lines, etc for style and "excitement"? Why don't we assemble a furniture set from a random assortment of pieces from flea markets? People sense that that is ugly. |
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| ▲ | lwhi 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | But it's possible to have usability and a unique design character, if you use a human designer. |
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| ▲ | soraki_soladead 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > There is also no pride. Is the pride not in solving the users' problems? > nobody talks about it, treats it with interest, or pays above market rate to work on it. Definitely needs a citation for this one. For so many products the user isn't paying for standout design. They're paying for insight, leverage, velocity, convenience, whatever. The market definitely supports this by paying above market salaries. Good design can be a useful differentiator but it isn't the only way for a tool or product to "spark joy" and often _fancy_ design (not good design) is used as a crutch for a subpar product. |
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| ▲ | Fordec 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > They're paying for insight, leverage, velocity, convenience, whatever. Correct, they are paying for work done by people in other roles, who's title isn't UI or UX designer. It's on the backend person for velocity, it's for business development for leverage, it's on data scientists for insight, it's on logistics for convenience. Those people will be paid for solving those problems, not for tweaking CSS. My team, who falls into this category of more invisible work, has not hired UI or UX person at all. Which by mathematically speaking by default, is simply below the average rate for that work. Meanwhile Apple will pay easily mid six figures for someone in a more flashy role. | |
| ▲ | rustystump an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | To prove the above person’s point, sap and salesforce have some of the most notoriously bad ux in the market and yes they make bank. Design is much harder for power user tools compared to consumer. There is far more complexity and the expectation often is users must be trained to even use the tool. Design only goes so far. |
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| ▲ | the__alchemist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't take pride in having an original UI for most tasks: I take pride in having one that's easy to use and gets the job done. I am not disrespecting people who are making a creative/artistic UI: That adds fun and life to the world. But it's not required for every project. |
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| ▲ | enraged_camel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >> Of course, there is indeed no shame. There is also no pride. I disagree completely. The pride should come from the value that is delivered. Specifically, this: >> Useful, probably optimal and will be around for decades to come. Is something to be proud of, full stop. |
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| ▲ | threatofrain an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think there's something nice about the idea of a store owner which has unnecessarily decorated the store with love, even with the liability of a cat; it's not delivering the product better and the cat may actually make things worse because of allergies. A cold American convenience store may be delivering the fundamental value at American prices, but there's something to be said about that "extra" human or creative element. One might say the same thing about the changing nature of the web over time, less individual CSS chaos and more Facebook aesthetics. | | |
| ▲ | darth_aardvark 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There's nothing stopping people from decorating their boutique stores (or personal blogs, portfolios, and fan websites) the way they want. And that's fun and delightful for me, as a visitor, just like boutique shops are IRL. But I really don't need that quirkiness at Home Depot, the DMV or my bank (or Amazon, or government websites, or my banking site). I'm there to purchase some screws, register my car or pick up some checks. I just need a storefront (or a website) that lets me do that as fast and homogenously as possible. 99.9% of stores (and UIs) are the latter, not the former. |
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