I don’t think that’s what he’s questioning.

Rather, where are their true allegiances? It is relatively easy to become a naturalized US citizen, versus say, a citizen of the PRC.

Highly, highly, controversial and politically incorrect tak, but are there people (and entities, including nation-states) that take advantage of that for their own purposes? I wouldn’t doubt it.

I know people who are naturalized US citizens (or even second generation immigrants) from countries friendly and allied to the US, who, if hypothetically asked who they would fight for in a shooting war, would pick their country of origin without hesitation.

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linksnapzz a day ago | parent | next [-]

Part of being a Good Person these days, is never admitting that you know or suspect this, even if you've seen & heard it yourself.

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verall a day ago | parent [-]

You can use this argument to support literally anything:

> claim: these people have Chinese names, are they REALLY Americans??

> response: suspecting "true allegiance" based on peoples names is racist and was used to justify atrocities like Japanese internment in our country's history

> rebuttal to response: "art of being a Good Person these days, is never admitting that you know or suspect this, even if you've seen & heard it yourself."

Instead of defending the claim you're just claiming you're being censored.

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linksnapzz a day ago | parent [-]

The difference is, of course, the claim that blood is thicker than water has been a relatively reliable way of guessing where someone's loyalties lie for millenia; while the "response" is a cosmopolitan universalist tic common only to the past 70 years or so, and flying in the face of so much experience & common-sense requires shaming anyone who thinks otherwise.

	▲	verall a day ago \| parent [-]
		I think you could make a better argument for nativism than "its been that way for millenia" and "it's common sense". Warring tribes were also around for millenia and were probably quite common sense. Most people consider the modern state, society, etc, to be an improvement. Many people also consider not questioning people's loyalties by their surnames, to be an improvement, even though I'm sure it was common sense for a long time.

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tancop a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

thats not a controversial take. most left wing or even liberal people just think the moral and economic value from letting people live in a more developed country is worth the non existent security risk. both legal and undocumented immigrants commit less crime than us citizens so its actually a net positive for security.

no one i know really believes in nation states or national security (thats security OF the state, not the people who live IN it) or patriotism and being a "good citizen". our generation got over the "western civilization" propaganda. we know china is just another country that might be less rich and less democratic but its not the enemy, no country is. even the little kids know because they watch speed, he might not be the most politically literate person but his streams showed the whole world that we have more in common than the borders dividing us.

these laptop farms are only a problem because they run scams and steal personal info from hacked servers. if it was just about state and corporate secrets it would actually be a good thing, theres always a chance that info ends up leaked on public sites and transparency is always good.

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thrance a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Top comment wasn't questioning anything, they just wrote the names of the offenders, which both sound asian. The conclusion they want us to make is that any American with an asian-looking name should be immediately suspect and face increased scrutiny, on this sole basis. This is undeniably racist.

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decafninja a day ago | parent [-]

That’s not my take. That the people involved are part of a particular race is less important than that they are likely originally from a country that is a geopolitical rival and potential enemy to the US.

Would you say the same if the people involved had names that sounded more Caucasian but from a similarly rival nation?

Disclaimer: I myself am an Asian American, naturalized citizen, with a distinctly Asian sounding name. I don’t think top commenter is racist.

	▲	verall a day ago \| parent [-]
		> Would you say the same if the people involved had names that sounded more Caucasian but from a similarly rival nation? If the people had Russian names instead and top commenter said: >US Nationals ><Russian names> it's still racist, yes. > I don’t think top commenter is racist. I won't make any claims about the commenter. I'll criticize their implication that people with foreign sounding names are not "real Americans" though.

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fhn a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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