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tancop a day ago

thats not a controversial take. most left wing or even liberal people just think the moral and economic value from letting people live in a more developed country is worth the non existent security risk. both legal and undocumented immigrants commit less crime than us citizens so its actually a net positive for security.

no one i know really believes in nation states or national security (thats security OF the state, not the people who live IN it) or patriotism and being a "good citizen". our generation got over the "western civilization" propaganda. we know china is just another country that might be less rich and less democratic but its not the enemy, no country is. even the little kids know because they watch speed, he might not be the most politically literate person but his streams showed the whole world that we have more in common than the borders dividing us.

these laptop farms are only a problem because they run scams and steal personal info from hacked servers. if it was just about state and corporate secrets it would actually be a good thing, theres always a chance that info ends up leaked on public sites and transparency is always good.