This is one thing LIDAR is pretty good at.

Do people still believe this is the clutch?

I see way more crash compilations from Waymo than Tesla (despite having something like 300k FSD subscribers and over 1M permanent purchasers).

Sure LIDAR can fill like 5% of gaps, but let's not pretend it's the underlying AI model that does the grunt work. Which begs the question why Waymo hasn't scaled nationwide and why cybercab hasn't ramped up yet. Both aren't doing that amazing.

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jerlam 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably selection effect. Tesla owners with FSD are often aware of its shortcomings and will not use it in situations where it wouldn't work, much less post clips of their mistakes online. People seem to agree it works fine on highways where cars travel in consistent patterns.

Waymos are in the exact opposite situation. They only run in busy cities so there are lots of bystanders to take a video of the situation, including the passenger, who has no incentive to hide the issue. Waymos can't revert to a driver in the car when things get tough; they call back to their monitoring center and come to a halt, which draws further attention and mockery.

You cannot assume that online algorithms are giving you a unbiased, neutral view of the world. They are specifically tuned against that.

	▲	FireBeyond 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> will not use it in situations where it wouldn't work Often "cannot". FSD will refuse to engage in those situations, often. But Elon will trot out "so much safer", omitting "for some conditions, on some road, in some weather", versus "all drivers, all conditions, all road, all weather". "You see, we win the vast majority of games when we just don't play the ones we thought we might lose!"
	▲	dzhiurgis 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		But assertion is that FSD is more dangerous as people don't monitor situation until it is too late. Claiming there are no Tesla's in busy cities is ridiculous. Given all the scrutiny Tesla gets (good, it made them unstoppable) you'd expect all sort of activists driving to Austin and literally crashing into robotaxis.

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fooblaster 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Tesla has not pulled the driver. It's just not comparable.

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dzhiurgis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Says 11 vehicles unsupervised https://robotaxitracker.com/?provider=tesla

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dangus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Their website now prominently states “supervised” since they got into so much hot water overselling the capabilities.

Tesla FSD is really in a pointless middle ground where the steep $99/month they ask for it is just not worth it.

It does basically nothing for you on the highway to alleviate fatigue above and beyond a standard adaptive cruise control system you can find in a Volkswagen Jetta.

The FSD on city streets is not autonomous enough to take away supervision so for the 10-20 minutes people typically spend driving in city traffic situations before reaching their destination it’s not saving a whole lot of effort to just…drive yourself.

I would think if I owned a car that wasn’t an old ass beater like I have I would mainly benefit from adaptive cruise control on long trips and perhaps some convenience stuff like automatic parking.

	▲	dzhiurgis 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What is the point of such trolling?