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jerlam 3 hours ago

Probably selection effect. Tesla owners with FSD are often aware of its shortcomings and will not use it in situations where it wouldn't work, much less post clips of their mistakes online. People seem to agree it works fine on highways where cars travel in consistent patterns.

Waymos are in the exact opposite situation. They only run in busy cities so there are lots of bystanders to take a video of the situation, including the passenger, who has no incentive to hide the issue. Waymos can't revert to a driver in the car when things get tough; they call back to their monitoring center and come to a halt, which draws further attention and mockery.

You cannot assume that online algorithms are giving you a unbiased, neutral view of the world. They are specifically tuned against that.

FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> will not use it in situations where it wouldn't work

Often "cannot". FSD will refuse to engage in those situations, often.

But Elon will trot out "so much safer", omitting "for some conditions, on some road, in some weather", versus "all drivers, all conditions, all road, all weather".

"You see, we win the vast majority of games when we just don't play the ones we thought we might lose!"

dzhiurgis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But assertion is that FSD is more dangerous as people don't monitor situation until it is too late.

Claiming there are no Tesla's in busy cities is ridiculous.

Given all the scrutiny Tesla gets (good, it made them unstoppable) you'd expect all sort of activists driving to Austin and literally crashing into robotaxis.