| ▲ | erelong 8 hours ago |
| "Intellectual property" as an idea has to go away |
|
| ▲ | jjice 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Like, all together? I'd agree that copyright terms are often much too long, but if you write a book, I'm totally okay with you owning the rights to that and making money off of it for a while. |
| |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We need to split "a creation" and "a set of ideas used in creation" You created entire book ? Sell it for 40 years, sure
But that should not apply to someone taking a tiny thing from it and making their own stuff around it, 10 years maybe. | | |
| ▲ | jjice 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But that should not apply to someone taking a tiny thing from it and making their own stuff around it, 10 years maybe Totally agree with that idea. |
| |
| ▲ | protocolture 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes all together. |
|
|
| ▲ | randomNumber7 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's even more absurd now when the big AI companies train their LLMs on torrented books. |
| |
| ▲ | giwook 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't you know that it's okay to steal IP (and skirt laws in general) when you're a big company with lots of money? | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | One torrent is a crime, breaking all the laws by downloading terabytes of books and processing them is a trillion dollar business. |
| |
| ▲ | protocolture 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | The torrenting was the only thing they were found to have done wrong, which makes sense. |
|
|
| ▲ | illist-ell1s 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| mostly effects the poor and ignorant so considered a minor issue |
|
| ▲ | layer8 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don’t you mean as a law? Ideas should be free. |
| |
| ▲ | bjourne 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | No as a concept. Assigning ownership to specific bit patterns is absurd. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So, anyone should be able to sell something called "Coca Cola"? | | |
| ▲ | senko 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nitpick: that’s trademark, not copyright. While it’s bundled under IP, it’s a different beast altogether. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The above claim was in fact regarding “intellectual property”. If you break it down, there are plenty of IP rights which make a lot of sense. Here’s one for copyright: “Do you think any corporation should be allowed to make closed source forks of GPL software?” |
|
| |
| ▲ | layer8 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Intellectual property isn’t about bit patterns. |
|
|
|
| ▲ | gverrilla 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "property" as an idea has to go away |
| |
| ▲ | Clamchop 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree in fractions. I think land ownership should be abolished. That'll never happen for a lot of reasons, but it's highly unethical in my opinion. Ignoring who the land was stolen from to begin with, I also feel that it's looting the future, land ownership often being generational and severely kneecapping society from making better, more productive use of a finite resource as its needs change over time. I do not think intellectual property should be abolished outright, because I can't think of a reliable incentive structure constructed entirely from the social interest. I do think it, particularly copyright, should be severely curtailed, however. Companies exclusively controlling huge swaths of popular culture for 90 years or whatever basically amounts to theft from the public commons, in my opinion. If you're going to replace folk culture with Mickey Mouse, then we ought to own a bit of that, more quickly than is being done. I have no issue with personal property and actually think it should be strengthened. Consider the right to repair; the right to run the software we choose on the devices we ostensibly own; the erosion of our ability to freely trade, share, and preserve increasingly digital products; stronger enforcement of Magnusson-Moss; infringements of our privacy in an online world; and so on. |
|
|
| ▲ | babypuncher 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Intellectual property" is a hack we put together to make capitalism properly assign value to abstract ideas that we all agree have value, but are inherently devalued by free market forces. Capitalism by itself is incapable of valuing art and ideas beyond the marginal cost of producing duplicates, which has been on a steady downward trend since the invention of the printing press. Our economy is increasingly reliant on a class of product that is fundamentally incompatible with how capitalism works. Maybe rather than adding to the centuries old hack that is clearly falling apart, we need to rethink things from the ground up. |
| |
| ▲ | lacy_tinpot 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What an incredible shallow reading of "capitalism". Capitalism doesn't "assign value" to anything. It can't assign value to anything. The value of something is determined only by a transaction. It's not assigned. The value of something is made apparent only after an exchanged is made. Otherwise there is no "inherent" or "assigned" value to anything. The value is made explicit only after a transaction is made. Abstract ideas don't really have value. Silicon Valley/Tech, which is perhaps the most ardent and exemplary capitalist industries today, does not assign value to abstract ideas. It assigns value to execution/tangible action. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Their point is that market forces push the value down to the marginal cost of copying. This complaint about "determining" versus "assigning" value is not important. And copyright does follow execution, not the abstract idea. |
|
|
|
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why? People are currently free to release all intellectual rights to what they release, so in theory these is already a intellectual property right free marketplace and people that want to create under that model creating. |
|
| ▲ | 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| [deleted] |