| ▲ | DrammBA 18 hours ago |
| I have a feeling the real reason is them trying to avoid someone using AI to copyright-wash their product, they're just using security as the excuse. |
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| ▲ | OsrsNeedsf2P 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| An app like Cal.com can be vibe coded in a few evenings with a Chrome MCP server pointed to their website to figure out all the nooks and crannys. The moat of Cal.com is not the code, it's the users who don't want to migrate. The real answer is they are likely having a hard time converting people to paid plans |
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| ▲ | notnullorvoid 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The moat of Cal.com is not the code, it's the users who don't want to migrate. That's a very weak moat unless you have something else like the friction of network dependence similar to a social network. | | |
| ▲ | eloisant 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly, that's why most Saas companies are in a very tough position. You have to bring value that goes beyond the source code and hosting, otherwise your clients are going to vibe code a custom solution instead of paying you. | | |
| ▲ | OccamsMirror 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > otherwise your clients are going to vibe code a custom solution instead of paying you. How many things do you want to be responsible for? How many vibe coded projects do you want to maintain? I think this line of reasoning is overblown. Just because you can doesn't mean a significant number of people will. I think the 3D printer comparison is apt. | | |
| ▲ | eloisant 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Individuals and SMB might stick with Saas but those don't pay much. Enterprise customers have the means to develop in house, those are the customers that will leave. And those are the whales of the Saas business. |
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| ▲ | philipov 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sunk cost is sufficient friction for most people even without network dependence. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | For a meeting scheduler site? I feel like you're overestimating the capabilities of something that is akin to college graduate project. This company does not seem healthy at all: https://getlatka.com/companies/calcom I agree with the other poster that mention this is likely a publicity stunt but all it's really showing is that VC is still incredibly stupid with their money. All the more reason to seize it from them then properly fund useful software and not subsidize vanity projects for stanford grads. | | |
| ▲ | cootsnuck 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | About the friction, not the capabilities...I haven't switched off my biz calendar/appointment provider I'm paying for even though I've kinda outgrown it. I wouldn't under estimate switching friction. | | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | How much does your friction avoidance cost, if you don't mind my asking? |
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| ▲ | jmcgough 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | idk my mom still pays for her aol email account | | |
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| ▲ | opem 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For real, one of the reasons I use cal.com is because it's open source. Time to migrate. | | |
| ▲ | lrvick 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same. I expect in a misguided effort to save customers, they are going to lose a lot more. My two companies will be canceling over this. |
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| ▲ | indianmouse 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | May be trying creating one and see how much effort and time is required to clone such a functionality to a proper working state! Something for personal use can be created in about 5-10 days, but even then the skill that is required and the amount of tokens to burn, hosting and security etc, will easily kill. This is exactly the thought process of many, but it will surely kill many opensource contributors. I've stopped committing anything to any open source repos as a personal choice. I do not want to train a LLM which will eventually create more slop and headaches since for me, time is the only important factor which holds the maximum value! Nothing else! | |
| ▲ | j45 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Coding something vs maintaining it can be quite different things. |
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| ▲ | theahura 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At risk of self promotion, I think more people should adopt something like the Ship of Theseus license (https://github.com/tilework-tech/nori-skillsets/pull/465/cha...). It's not obvious if this will patch the clean room hole in licensing, but I'd rather see it play out in court than assume opensource is just fully dead |
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| ▲ | klempner 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am incredibly skeptical that license is legally meaningful. (but obligatory IANAL.) Generally speaking it is very very difficult to have a license redefine legal terms. Either this theseus copy is legally a derivative work or it isn't, and text of a license is going to do at most very very little to change that. | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's not obvious if this will patch the clean room hole in licensing, but I'd rather see it play out in court than assume opensource is just fully dead Are you willing to bear the burden of litigation? | |
| ▲ | devmor 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I cannot imagine that license addendum is legally enforceable (let alone provable) in most jurisdictions on earth but it is interesting. | | |
| ▲ | kaashif 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | As long as it doesn't cost me anything, I'd like to see it play out in court and know for sure. But that is very unlikely even if everyone adopted it, which they won't. | | |
| ▲ | eloisant 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean you might as well write "any competing project will be considered infringement". It doesn't cost you anything either. |
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| ▲ | lisperforlife 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Exactly this! Classic open source bait and switch. |
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| ▲ | bit1993 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Called this 9 months ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44559840 "AI slop is rapidly destroying the WWW, most of the content is becoming more and more low-quality and difficult to tell if its true or hallucinated. Pre-AI web content is now more like the golden-standard in terms of correctness, browsing the Internet Archive is much better. This will only cause content to go behind pay-walls, allot of open-source projects will be closed source not only because of the increased work maintainers have to do to not only review but also audit patches for potential AI hallucinations but also because their work is being used to train LLMs and re-licensed to proprietary." |
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| ▲ | teleforce 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Typical FUD. Replace AI with "open source and Linux", and "open source" with "Windows" in the statements. That's what Microsoft's PR team would have said about open source and Linux about 20 years back in the 2000s. After the unsuccessful FUD era, now Microsoft is running away with Linux by running its Windows alongside via WSL to combat MacOS Unix-like popularity, and due to Linux and open source dominance in the cloud OS demographic. |
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