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aldebran 2 days ago

Police departments aren’t understaffed. It’s a priority problem not a lack of resources problem. I live in a tech heavy, wealthy city. It’s small. No violent crime. Barely any crime at all. There’s occasional break ins and car break ins. When this happens it’s a big deal.

We had one last year. Everyone around has cameras. The cops refused to do anything about it. They refused to get recordings. The neighbor went door to door and gathered it herself. Cops refused to do anything even though you can see the car and the plates from multiple videos, multiple angles.

Guess what the cops always have resources for? Hiding behind bushes and trees to ticket people going 5 over. Or at turns where they know they’ll get people before people see the cop car.

Our HOA came together and asked the police department about this. They gave us bullshit about how custody of evidence etc is hard and even if they put people in jail, the lenient judges will let them go anyway. It was fucked up.

Our HOA was going in hard about installing floc cameras everywhere. I had to fight hard not to get that done. One of the reasons I won wasn’t because privacy, it was because the cops literally were like unless we can directly pull video feeds from cameras, we won’t do much. And that access wasn’t available to those police department. At least at the time.

There have been many other such stories I’ve personally witnessed in the cities I’ve lived in.

Cops seem to have plenty of resources to bully people of color, seize assets and hide behind trees and bushes to ticket people, reduce the period of orange lights so people get more tickets etc. but never enough to actually do their jobs.

scarmig 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I live in a tech heavy, wealthy city. It’s small. No violent crime. Barely any crime at all.

Compare to e.g. Oakland, which recently approved a Flock expansion:

https://oaklandside.org/2025/12/17/oakland-flock-safety-coun...

Why?

https://sfstandard.com/2023/06/09/oakland-crime-police-respo...

https://oaklandside.org/2025/10/08/oakland-watchdog-audit-po...

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/oakland-police-off...

Now, will Flock help with this? No. But the visceral lack of safety people feel makes them more likely to see it as a necessary evil, not snake oil.

burnt-resistor 2 days ago | parent [-]

Baltimore has metric shittons of police cameras but it's still a dangerous shithole. Cameras don't stop idiot criminals from criming. Baltimore's police suck and the area sucks because there's massive unemployment, cameras aren't a panacea.

archon810 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

We're talking about license plate recognition cameras, not cameras that show a blurry picture of a criminal committing a crime. These LPR cameras absolutely do result in meaningful law enforcement action and help catch criminals.

See San Francisco and their use of LPR cameras like Flock combined with drone surveillance.

https://fb.watch/GvATBMj1bj/

https://abc7news.com/post/how-sfpds-new-investigation-center...

Etc.

MisterTea 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I don't get the camera supporters. Cameras do nothing. Desperate people aren't concerned about cameras or stopped by them.

JuniperMesos 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Cameras make it easier to gather evidence that will let the criminal justice system try and incarcerate those desperate people. It's a lot harder to commit a crime if you are currently locked in prison.

tptacek 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree that police department staffing is less of a real issue than people claim it is, and that many departments have target staffing levels that are artificially elevated. But I'm struck by your comment about cops "hiding behind bushes to ticket people going 5 over", because in the ultra-ultra-progressive inner-ring Chicago suburb in which I live, one of the chief complaints about policing over the last couple years has been the lack of traffic enforcement.

gbear605 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

On a daily basis, I see several cars that are going forty+ miles per hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes. They go right past the cop and the cop doesn't care. Then someone going five over goes past the cop and the cop gives them a ticket. They go after the easy ones that fill their quotas, not the ones that actually make anyone safer.

JuniperMesos 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you taking the perspective of a car-driver risking getting a ticket for technically violating a traffic law, or a resident concerned about drivers technically violating traffic laws on the roads near where they live?

tptacek 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Neither, but what I'm describing is the resident concern.

lesuorac 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> one of the chief complaints about policing over the last couple years has been the lack of traffic enforcement.

Which traffic enforcement though?

I really do not like the fact that lefts on red are not enforced. I have numerous times seen people run a red-red light infront of a cop car with no enforcement.

That said, people going 35 in a 30? Like I care. People weaving in between lanes? Yeah that seems much more dangerous.

gunsle a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Police departments in a lot of major cities are absolutely unstaffed relative to population growth after decades of demonization in the media. You are ignorant.