| ▲ | qweiopqweiop 4 hours ago |
| It genuinely disgusts me that the world's largest media company shoves addictive, short form content down users throats (especially young people). Anyone working on it at Google should be ashamed of what they're doing. |
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| ▲ | ssenssei 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I actually currently run youtube out of firefox in mobile and web, and its pretty much amazing in both and doesn't feel janky. The upside of that is that if you add the correct script to the ad blocker extension, you'll never see a youtube reel for the rest of your life, which HEAVILY improves the experience on youtube. this is the filter list I use: https://github.com/i5heu/ublock-hide-yt-shorts |
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| ▲ | sheept 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The social media companies got so large because they optimized for engagement over all else. If they were any less addictive, they'd have way fewer users, and we wouldn't be talking about them now. This can probably only be addressed with regulation |
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| ▲ | asdfman123 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, you can be the guy at a social media company who says "perhaps earning a few extra billion in revenue this way is bad for children," but the executives are just going to replace you. |
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| ▲ | Gagarin1917 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where is it being shoved down anyone’s throat? You literally have to intentionally click a short video or use the shorts tab to see any YouTube short. |
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| ▲ | rambambram 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Shorts are pushed on the homepage and in the sidebar. At least in the UI that I see in Firefox desktop. I sometimes wonder if other people get other UIs than I do. There's technically nothing stopping them from 'tailoring' the UI for different people. | |
| ▲ | Gander5739 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They play on app startup on the android app, at least for me. | | |
| ▲ | biggestfan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That happens if you close the app while on a Short. Otherwise it opens to the homepage. | | |
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| ▲ | pyreko 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ehhhh not recently. They have an entire shorts section on my subscription page now, and shorts are _heavily_ pushed on my home page feed despite me trying to dismiss them multiple times. Like yes I can hide them all using ublock on desktop and morphe on Android, but that the fact I have to do it to avoid them is because they're pushing shorts harder as of late, it used to also be pushed but not as much from my personal experience. | | |
| ▲ | Gagarin1917 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >They have an entire shorts section on my subscription page now Because the people you subscribe to are making those shorts. Your subscription page shows you all the most recent videos from the channels you’re subscribed to. That in no way is shoving anything down your throat. You’re just supposed to watch what you want to watch. You’re not expected to click and watch every video in your subscription feed. | | |
| ▲ | pyreko 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right but before they _didn't_ have an entire dang section for shorts lol. It's near the very top too, so I literally could not avoid seeing it. If they treated it as a normal video I wouldn't care as much. And unfortunately many YouTubers who do make normal, good content also make shorts because it's incredibly algorithm-friendly, so there's no avoiding it unless you blacklist every creator that dares make shorts. | | |
| ▲ | Gagarin1917 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >Right but before they _didn't_ have an entire dang section for shorts An “entire section” isn’t “shoving” something down your throat. You literally don’t even have to process that part of the site with your brain. When you go to Amazon are you just completely overwhelmed by all the stuff they’re “shoving down your throat”? I mean they have tons of sections on the home page. Are you actually bothered by that or are do you simply search for what you want like everyone else? | |
| ▲ | pyreko 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's also near the very top of the home feed too - it's even above videos for me, the only thing on top of it is ongoing livestreams. So if I want to use the feed, I have to scroll through a giant shorts section. Then its a row of videos, and then it's another row of just shorts. Again, I DO NOT WATCH SHORTS, but YT really wants me to watch them from the looks of it. Of course, I then see one row of videos and then the damn "YouTube Playable" section so maybe the moral of the story is that the main page is unusable outright. |
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| ▲ | kotaKat 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You click the button to hide the card of Shorts on the home page and it just says We'll show you fewer Shorts on Home Not "no more", but "fewer". Which means you don't get a choice, YouTube will still shove them down your throat. | | |
| ▲ | Gagarin1917 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s not shoving them down anyone’s throats. If you don’t want to watch a short, don’t click on it. Just like if you don’t want to watch a video about a certain topic, you don’t click on it. Seeing that they exist is in no way an inconvenience or annoyance. You’re supposed to just watch what you want. | | |
| ▲ | greenchair an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure it is Sundar. When I go to youtube i see a few videos in the top half. The bottom half of screen is a row of Shorts that I don't want and have to scroll past. In a normal world there'd be a profile setting that lets you opt-out of Shorts being shown. In a normal world there wouldn't be a fake 'show fewer shorts' button that does absolutely nothing. | | |
| ▲ | Gagarin1917 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | In a normal world people just scroll past the things they aren’t looking for without even processing the stuff they don’t want. It’s extremely easy to never click on a Short. I don’t understand the emotional response to these things at all. I’m sure there’s tons of normal videos you don’t want to watch that’s you simply scroll past that don’t elicit emotion whatsoever. |
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| ▲ | ajross 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| YouTube is actually the least engagement-driven/addition-maxing social video provider, by far. Meta and TikTok are famous for discouraging external linking, limiting reach to non-targetted users, heavily moderating content to match engagement metrics, disguising advertisement as content, etc... YouTube for the most part just serves what you post, does minimal content moderation, stuff a dumb insurance ad on the front (of the long-form content) that looks like a dumb insurance ad, and then does it for everyone else. I mean, sure, they could do better. But really if the world of amateur video content was all YouTube it would be a better place. |
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| ▲ | FrustratedMonky 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Its what people want. Time to stop thinking corporations will suddenly start policing themsleves. |
