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wing-_-nuts 4 hours ago

I have windows on my desktop pc because it's easier to get executable mods (downgraders, engine fixes, etc) working on windows than linux. There's also the matter of 'kernel level anti-cheat' games not working.

But if I just judge windows vs linux, on even ground, W11 is painful. I've main'd linux on my laptop for ~ 25 years. There was a time when it was a jank experience that I put up with for better devex, but that ended in the late 00's. From that point forward, unless you were trying to get bleeding edge hardware to work, linux has been hands down better.

It's enough that I've considered giving up online play all together just to have a nicer computing experience.

californical 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I just run two drives - one with windows and one with Linux.

I treat the windows one as a console essentially, not even logged into my password manager or email or anything. It is only for games. Basically an Xbox, with all sorts of normal annoying UX, but it doesn’t matter for all of the ~2 minutes until I can launch a game

Separate linux drive for everything else.

ghighi7878 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have a windows machine connected to my TV for games. Thats it. 1000 Euro machine with 500 Euro GPU. Also use it for govts windows only thingies.

dathinab 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Similar for me but I mostly play single player small studio games/no mods, and on Steam/Linux there are enough "out of the box working" games to fill all the time I still have left for gaming.

It's not perfect, but I anyway had the computer for other reasons and may need it for the other reasons again after which I would need to re-setup anything. Bazite default/w. SteamOS UI install + a minor number of setting changes (1) and a login to steam and it's ready to go again. Can't complain. Just which the SteamOS UI version would also do the same background download+apply of updates the main versions or distros like Fedora Silverblue do.

While not quite yet console experience, for many games it really is not "that" far away. (For some other games very much very far away, don't expect any competitive PvP games or games with real world money related online economy working. To some degree it's not even about anti-cheat not working on Linux. It's about many such games struggling making it work on Windows and having no room to bother with another platform, and dishonest managers potentially using "all Linux fault" as an excuse when the anti-cheating strategy failed on Windows where most of their players where... (happened before))

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(1): Mainly SteamOS UI is made for Handhelds and as such has some bad defaults for more powerful desktops (which likely will change soon). I'm only couch gaming on it, hence close to everything else just stays with default settings. Sure it's not fancy customized Linux or most maximal privacy preserving Linux. But it's in the "good enough" area of settings, privacy and similar, which Windows in many aspects isn't anymore. No fighting windows forcing things down your throat, weather it's Copilot, the nasty way it tries to deceive you into using it's online drive, etc.

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Oh and as minor tip: You can majorly micro optimize kernels, schedulers, drivers etc. If you don't need to, then don't bother. That is where unexpected perf. regressions, issues after updates etc. come in. Like you still find reports about Bazzite being slower then windows due to them having don that in the past and having run into an unexpected perf. regression on some hardware without realizing. I mean it is fun to tinker. But I'm in the "please mostly just work" age by now.

marcosscriven an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I installed Proxmox on my main desktop - with GPU passthrough I can quickly switch to a Windows desktop for the rare games that need it (mostly VR).

wing-_-nuts 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's ...not the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds again. While I can of course afford it, it wounds my soul to pay the AI / tariff tax on components.

GeoAtreides 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds again

oh man, do I have some really bad news for you:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/chart/SNDK

fhd2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I typically install both systems on the same disk, different partitions. Then work with additional SSDs strictly for game storage. Only annoying bit is that some games _need_ to be on C, but very few in my experience. If you have enough space to shrink your Windows partition, that could work without waiting for an SSD. Though I guess the one OS per disk setup is ultimately cleaner.

Been dual booting for >20 years now. It's nice that some games work on Linux pretty well these days, and of course I had fun messing with Wine manually to get some stuff to work decades ago. But it really doesn't bother me too much to reboot when switching between gaming and literally anything else.

keyringlight 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The issue that has occurred a few times is that some windows updates will decide that they 'own' the disk it's installed on or knows better than whoever is running the system, and overwrite any other boot manager with window's own and you may need to break out a live boot to recover it. Using a single isolated disc at OS install time (if you can have multiple physical drives) and using a motherboard boot selection hotkey means that risk likely goes away.

pbhjpbhj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I use BIOS boot selection to dual-boot. MS has broken it twice. I turned off SecureBoot now and just don't run games that require it.

Apparently you can get a mobo with switchable BIOS config (or was it just a switchable SSD?) so the OS didn't even know that there's a second OS around. If there's no connection of the other OS then MS can't break it [as easily]!

IMO it must be malicious, because otherwise it would be caught with remedial testing. I can't believe MS don't include dual boot setups in their testing.

vladvasiliu 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Many newer computers now have a rudimentary bootloader integrated in the EFI. Some are actually quite nice, allowing you to browse partitions to choose which image to boot. HPs have this. You just hit a key during uefi “post” and voilà.

The functionality is present on my new Lenovo laptop, various generations of HP elite/pro books/desks, old asus mobo and newer cheap gigabyte mobo, 7th gen intel nuc.

connicpu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For me last year was the tipping point, with Windows 10 hitting EOL I refused to move to the buggy mess of 11. All the games I regularly play are now nearly flawless in proton and games that refuse to run on Linux just don't exist for me anymore. Admittedly I already didn't play the kinds of highly competitive online games that like to use KLAC, so might be a tougher sell if that's your jam. Most of my game time goes to FF14 and GW2.

seabrookmx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I assume this isn't the case with every machine, but every hardware I've ever owned (including the Framework 13, which has pretty good Linux support) has had worse battery life under Linux (mainstream distros like Fedora and Ubuntu).

To say nothing of the truly excellent battery life Macs these days get.

That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

HumblyTossed 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

Pop_os! with the system76 power daemon makes a world of difference on my tiny AMD powered Lenovo ideapad.

wkrsz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

David Heinemeier Hansson reports excellent battery life on 2026 Dell XPS 14 with Panther Lake https://world.hey.com/dhh/panther-lake-is-the-real-deal-4bd7...

seabrookmx 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm a little gun-shy of getting another Dell after two bad machines in a row (two separate models with swollen batteries < 3 years old), but I'll admit the 14 looks nice now that they've brought back the physical function keys!

tracker1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I tend to run pretty close to the edge on hardware (9950x, 9070xt, gen5 nvme)... I've had a few issues with that in Linux... that said, I've been using Linux as the main OS on my desktop for a while now, and when I upgraded about a year ago, I ditched the Windows drive entirely.

I do have a Windows Server 2025 and Win11 VM running for a couple testing issues, but that's about it. That said, there seems to be a few integration issues on Wayland where the RDP client or the VM UI both will not intercept hotkeys like alt-tab, which makes it kind of painful to use the VM effectively.

Even with the rough edges in Cosmic, I'll still take it over the jank they keep addding to Windows.

vidarh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I mostly stopped checking hardware compatibility for Linux ~10 years ago. Every now and again there's an issue, but it's usually easy to work around, or I wait a little bit and it's resolved. When it got to the point that I felt I didn't need to check any more, it was a big deal.

tracker1 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I had an RX 5700XT at launch, that was about the most painful... but 6mo later it worked fine... But by then I did switch back to Windows because I couldn't deal with the day to day issues... A year later, I went back to Linux and haven't looked back though.

MiddleEndian 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anecdotally, my (smart but doesn't really care much about computers) fiancee was able to get all dozen of her mods for The Sims working on Bazzite Linux without any help from me besides a chmod +x to one script.

But we don't play any online multiplayer games, so YMMV on that one.

TheGRS 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its always been a momentum thing for me, grew up on Windows, esp in my LAN party days. The guys running linux couldn't play 90% of the games the rest of us were. When dev became more important to me I would typically reach for something else because the windows dev experience always kind of sucked IMO (unless you were a .NET person, which for the most part I was not).

I have a spare laptop with Pop OS on it now and I'm really enjoying it. Kind of forget I'm on it sometimes. I'm considering putting it as my OS for my main powerful laptop that I play most of my games on.

LetsGetTechnicl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I dual boot Windows and Pop OS. I find the Windows 10 LTSC experience totally perfect, and it has a longer EOL.

themagician an hour ago | parent [-]

LTSC is the “real” Windows. It’s so boring and terrific.

What I don’t understand is why they don’t make it more available. Just let people pay for it. I do not understand why they don’t.

com2kid 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

For the same reason everything is moving to being ad based - because ads pay more, and because the high income users who are willing to pay to get rid of ads are the most valuable users to show ads to.

pawelduda 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I repeat this story every now and then but I "maintain" a 18 years old laptop with Ubuntu (mainly for Internet) for non-tech savvy user. I put it in quotes because I just run apt update every now and then - that's it. Just works. The only bottleneck is how resource-hungry browsers got over time but it remains usable. Ubuntu was installed sometime back in 2017 and there was no need for fresh reinstall since then.

rbanffy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I did that for my mom. At some point she learned to click through the Ubuntu updater and she kept her machine updated by herself. I only kept tabs on her computer via the server monitoring tooling I had on my network.

Barbing 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This sounds like the move, vs. having mum on Win+Chrome.

If people had set their family members up with Firefox and Ublock Origin, then the Manifest v2 deprecation wouldn’t have resulted in seniors getting hit with certain scams. Specifically over the period between deprecation and the next visit from tech savvy family members.

Unforgivable btw

Edit - Linux bit’s important too b/c of MS nagscreens that could try to upsell

SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That can't be literally true, no release of Ubuntu is still getting updates after 18 years. At some point you have to upgrade to the next release, and that's not quite as simple.

wing-_-nuts 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The 'upgrade to next version of ubuntu' has gotten pretty good these days.

The only thing I would make sure to do is to have a separate home partition / volume so if you had to blow the underlying OS away after a botched upgrade, it's easily doable.

For the life of me I don't understand why having a separate area for your personal files isn't the default on every OS. Just pick a reasonable size for the OS part (20-30G?) and give the rest to /home

LetsGetTechnicl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The laptop is 18 years old, Ubuntu was installed in 2017.

baq 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Linux is missing good vm defaults (dirty_bytes etc.) - out of the box settings on the distros I tried are abysmal; both windows and macos are much saner.

Other than that, yeah, it's a royal pain in the ass. It's treating the user primarily as an upsell funnel.

Aardwolf 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't seem to have issues modding games like Skyrim, Fallout 4 or Factorio on Linux

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you use executable mods? Downgraders, engine fixes, etc? I'm also curious what mod manager you use, because getting MO2 to work under linux is a bit janky as well.

Aardwolf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably not often I'd say, but at least there were some games I played with wine where some executables to apply mods also ran in wine and worked, I vaguely remember some fix to make something be able to use more than a few GB of ram to allow farther or better remdering, sometimes just a strange combination of things is needed to get something to work. But that's actually long ago, these days everything just works in Steam instead

joombaga 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I use MO2 on Linux through Steam's Proton runtime, to play TTW (Fallout NV mod). Works fine. The TTW installer did require an older Proton version though.

dathinab 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's a question of tooling, modding kits

most times it this tooling which causes issues not the mod itself

For very popular games it's not rare if moddingkit/tooling producer (or contributes) made the tooling work on Linux, but it can be very hit or miss.

but it increasingly more "just works", kinda, somewhat

delecti 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah. I recently tried to run an auxiliary program (Mass Effect save editor because the character creator sucks) on Linux which was only written for Windows. Getting it running in the same Proton "space" (bottle?) was not an enormous challenge, but it was very far from "just works".

bradley13 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you avoid games that demand kernel-level access, gaming on Linux works just fine.

Honestly, I don't trust game producers enough to grant then kernel access. Do you? Really?

wing-_-nuts 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't trust windows with access to sensitive data, much less games. I do all banking, etc on my linux laptop. My desktop is for messing around with AI / ML / games

IshKebab 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Install the IoT LTSC edition. No crapware at all. It's a really solid OS. Less painful than Linux overall.

delecti 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Is there any legitimate way to do that? Last I heard, that version needed an Enterprise license which end-users realistically can't realistically get.

iLoveOncall 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I run Windows 11 as my main desktop (and use Mac at work and have a bunch of servers / NAS where I run debian), and W11 is not painful at all.

I installed the Professional edition, disabled a few settings that I don't like the first time I installed it, and haven't had any issue or friction since then.

Meanwhile I'm constantly frustrated at MacOS and obviously you can't do anything on Linux without running into some sort of trouble.