> The right to opt out of its sale, and

Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in?

I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an option to never sell it in the first place.

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trollbridge 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Microsoft likes to do the "opt out for the next 30 days", including uploading all my spreadsheets to Copilot to be training data.

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colejohnson66 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Can we do X, Y, Z?" Yes? Or maybe later?

It's so annoying. No means no, not "pester me later"!

	▲	bombcar 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Consent used to be "Yes" or "No" now it's "Yes" or "I'll give in later"

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al_borland 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That would be enough to get me to spend those 30 days migrating all my spreadsheets to a new format.

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trollbridge an hour ago | parent [-]

Google Sheets is slower/has enough usability issues it's not an option and OpenOffice is missing a few features too, not to mention neither really can do VBA at all, nor do they have PowerQuery. So Excel it is.

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bee_rider 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Is this stuff… like, good? I don’t know anything about the MS ecosystem. If you could start from scratch, would using something more like Python, pandas, that sort of stuff, be viable?

	▲	nemomarx 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You're not going to get non technical coworkers like the finance department entering their data or reports in pandas. So it depends on how much labor you want to put in helping them do it, I guess?

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noir_lord 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device.

You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones.

There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

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al_borland an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The phone backup is one toggle. The 30 individual ones are for syncing data for apps.

If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you? Without any cloud sync, I’m not sure what the value is, just sign out.

I’m sure you’d lose the ability to download apps, but most of those are also using iCloud to sync data.

For what it’s worth, Apple seems fairly decent about not opting users in to new stuff. When they released Messages syncing via iCloud, I had to explicitly turn it on for my various devices. The same was true for several other things.

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noir_lord an hour ago | parent [-]

> If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you?

Nope, You have to have an apple account tied to a physical phone number or you can't sign in on the device or use it at all and they opt you in to the 5GB free plan and yes, the 30 sliders is apps but that doesn't alter the fact that I want to be asked before they exfiltrate my data, technology should exist to serve the user and part of that (at least in my opinion) is respecting privacy.

Yes you can sign out and you can untoggle the boxes but that is rather my point, it's opt out not opt in.

I don't want default exfiltration of data from my devices to a faceless American corporation without that been my choice.

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