This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device.

You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones.

There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

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gitpusher a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

I don't disagree. But defaults are important, and you are in a tiny minority with wanting to disable iCloud. 90% of people using Apple phones want or expect things to be magically backed up for them

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al_borland 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The phone backup is one toggle. The 30 individual ones are for syncing data for apps.

If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you? Without any cloud sync, I’m not sure what the value is, just sign out.

I’m sure you’d lose the ability to download apps, but most of those are also using iCloud to sync data.

For what it’s worth, Apple seems fairly decent about not opting users in to new stuff. When they released Messages syncing via iCloud, I had to explicitly turn it on for my various devices. The same was true for several other things.

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noir_lord an hour ago | parent [-]

> If you aren’t using iCloud for any of this, why use it at all? I believe you can still use an iPhone without an iCloud account, can’t you?

Nope, You have to have an apple account tied to a physical phone number or you can't sign in on the device or use it at all and they opt you in to the 5GB free plan and yes, the 30 sliders is apps but that doesn't alter the fact that I want to be asked before they exfiltrate my data, technology should exist to serve the user and part of that (at least in my opinion) is respecting privacy.

Yes you can sign out and you can untoggle the boxes but that is rather my point, it's opt out not opt in.

I don't want default exfiltration of data from my devices to a faceless American corporation without that been my choice.

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