| ▲ | wyc 9 hours ago |
| > A 16-year-old with no credentials and no capital could just do things. The world of bits offered the freedom to build without being drowned in arbitrary constraints, in a way that didn’t require assembling vast capital or prestige or connections, where your creativity and work could speak for itself, and you had agency.
This is now truer than it ever was. |
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| ▲ | Ancalagon 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The point is it won’t be if these new models stay locked to the public. |
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| ▲ | andyfilms1 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It has always baffled me how quickly, and how voraciously, people started to rely on privately owned AI systems. AI is not something discovered by scientists and plucked out of the ether. It's engineered and controlled, for profit, by corporations which have demographics and KPIs. These companies don't owe you anything, and they make no promises. If you're running a business that deeply relies on AI, you might as well add Sam Altman to your board of directors--because he has just as much control over your company as you do. If they have a bad quarter and need to increase rates by 1000%, your choices are to pay up or shut down. This Mythos situation is just the beginning. Not only do they have everyone hooked, but they've actively stalled the personal skill growth of millions of people who fell into vibe-coding rather than genuinely learning. And now they have that choice: Pay up, or shut down. | | |
| ▲ | cgh 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The same corporations that insist upon private Maven repositories to control all code dependencies are nevertheless fine with establishing a massive dependency on a privately-held corporation in order to write software that hardly anyone in the organization understands. When I really think about this and how it plays out in the long run, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. | |
| ▲ | contraposit 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can't run my business without electricity. Yet we don't fear of its access being revoked. Sam makes the comparison of intelligence to electricity a lot. So we are on the path to these systems becoming utilities. | | |
| ▲ | anematode 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Electricity is heavily regulated. Is there any evidence that LLMs will be the same? | | |
| ▲ | signatoremo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Was electricity regulated in the first decade of its existence? | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know but likely not. Factories were powered by steam then, and had a "power plant" on site. So they didn't convert to electricity until it was reliable and guaranteed. |
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| ▲ | andyfilms1 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I would bet any amount that when the time comes to turn AI into a utility, they will fight it tooth and nail. |
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| ▲ | p1esk 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | your choices are to pay up or shut down. Another choice is to switch to a different model, perhaps open source this time. | | |
| ▲ | andyfilms1 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Package manager incidents (like leftpad) have shown that just because it's open source doesn't mean it can't do damage to your project. | |
| ▲ | kay_o 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another choice is to write code and learn. Especially if you are 16 and have all day. | | |
| ▲ | p1esk 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | We are talking about running a business. In business world no one ever cared where code is coming from, the only concern is how much the code costs. |
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| ▲ | avaer 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Whatever is in Mythos will be open source in 6mos-1yr tops. You might not have the GPUs but you won't be locked out of the capability. We're still not at the point where one person with a coding agent can max out their salary in effectively using credits, so the capability is still well within reach of the vast base of the industry. Meaning that for now, most people who want to pay for the product (which IMO is pretty reasonably priced for what it does) will be able to get the product. The economics will make sure of that. The market is ripe for someone basically copying the likes of Mythos and pricing it competitively. | |
| ▲ | alwa 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That assumes “more model” is the part that differentiates successful ideas from unsuccessful ones. Governments and corporations controlled enormous mainframes far beyond the compute available to the hacker kid we were waxing nostalgic about, didn’t they? Not to mention the PhDs, the mountains of capital, and so on? My money’s on team human. | |
| ▲ | layer8 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can do things without AI. That hasn’t really changed. | | |
| ▲ | Ancalagon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The point is you won’t be able to compete with just your brain | | |
| ▲ | layer8 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think that remains to be proven. The context was 16-year olds being able to freely build things. They still can do that as before. Not everything is a competition. |
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| ▲ | bredren 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We saw yesterday that expert orchestration around small, publicly available models can produce results on the level of the unreleased model. I take a contra view and instead see this as fuel on the fire for tinkering to squeeze advanced functionality out of more available things. It has always been like this, the amateur improvising tooling and equipment to outdo companies with comparably infinite resources. | | |
| ▲ | enraged_camel 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | >> We saw yesterday that expert orchestration around small, publicly available models can produce results on the level of the unreleased model. This is false. Yesterday's article did not actually show this, and there are many comments in the discussion from actual security people (like tptacek) pointing that out. | | |
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| ▲ | avazhi 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can’t use your own brain? | | |
| ▲ | Ancalagon 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The point is you won’t be able to compete with just your brain | |
| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m all about AI and not-AI… but the question is, can you use your own brain 24 hours a day? I don’t agree with vibe coding, I see the appeal of an AI ticking through my code at night to see if tests could be better or I missed something, etc. |
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| ▲ | CuriouslyC 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The irony is that we've just shifted the complexity. Anyone can make something now, but since everyone is making things, now you need to compete on reach/distribution more aggressively. The new "capital" is social media juice and pre-AI rep. Same problem, different skin. |
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| ▲ | tsunamifury 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s the same as it always says. You could always take the time to do something or pay someone else to do it. You pay others to focus on things you can’t. Unless myths fully does that (which I say in full confidence that it doesn’t) it’s just making it cheaper to provide focus. |
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| ▲ | walterbell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > your creativity and work could speak for itself Including speaking to humans/bots with more resources to monetize said work. > you had agency Distribution is also helpful for revenue generation. |
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| ▲ | justsomehnguy 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Re-read the last paragraph of TFA. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I didn't realize tokens were free! Jokes aside, this is just a different flavor of the same promise we see with each new technology, and 9/10 times it just ends in worse professional environments. |
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| ▲ | simianwords 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is so untrue - prestige and connections matter even more, now that work is being commoditised. no? |
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| ▲ | avaer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It seems to follow that when the world is full of slop artists real artists don't get taken seriously/can't get a job. The Elons/FANGS are generally doing fine though. |
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