It’s a distinct minority. They’re convinced they’re the majority because everyone they talk to is in the same bubble, especially online. I saw the same thing with Mangione and Kirk and Pelosi.

▲

pesus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you spend much time with people not in the tech world? I think you'd be surprised how many people hold similar sentiments, even if not to such an extreme, especially once you talk to people in the real world. I've heard far more support for this sort of thing in real life than I have online due to fear of repercussions.

Hell, even the president regularly calls for and promotes violence, so I don't think it's that much of a minority. The US was founded on it, after all.

▲

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Do you spend much time with people not in the tech world?

Most of it. Across the political spectrum.

> even if not to such an extreme

That’s precisely the point. There is a massive difference between doing or aiding and abetting such behavior, cheering it on, and giving into the impulse of “couldn’t have happened to a worse person” before self correcting. There are a few saints who reject the violence at first glance. But most people are in that self correcting phase, and the correction happens the more they learn about the specifics of the assault.

> even the president regularly calls for and promotes violence

To what numerical end?

▲

pesus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> To what numerical end?

How many people live in Iran, who he just threatened to genocide? How many people hold views that Trump thinks make them his enemy, including being critical of ICE? How many immigrants are in the country? It's going to be a very large number, no matter how you slice it.

▲

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean to what numerical end do Trump’s supporters pick up arms when he calls them to violence.

	▲	pesus 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is getting more and more specific - I was talking about him encouraging violence. But some examples: Jan 6, the attack on Paul Pelosi, every ICE agent. Personally, I've also received multiple death threats from his supporters.

▲

fzeroracer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, he literally just posted a video on his account of a woman being violently beaten to death with a hammer as a call for people to do something about immigrants.

▲

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> he literally just posted a video on his account of a woman being violently beaten to death with a hammer as a call for people to do something about immigrants

Zero dispute. I’m challenging the notion that Americans are rising to that call. (Or cheering on specific attacks, versus general notions of violence.)

In a weird way, maybe social media helps in this one instance. We can’t let the enemy be faceless. There is no glory in shooting a specific mother or nurse.

	▲	fzeroracer 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You're missing that the Americans rising to the call are employed by the state itself. ICE over Trump's tenure with a burgeoning budget has become filled with folks that were part of known white supremacist groups. The most violent believers have been state sanctioned and paid to inflict his agenda.

▲

kube-system 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What I think is different today is -- regardless of how many people organically think this way -- social media is normalizing the idea. We're all being exposed to it.

It's only a minority of people who are radicalized, but it's a growing minority. Radical ideas are more accessible than ever for people to latch on to.

Radical views on violence, social relations, science, politics, distrust of institutions, etc are all way more common than they were in the 90s.

	▲	JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> but it's a growing minority I’d want to see this interrogated with rigor. The alternate hypothesis, and my null, is a relatively fixed fraction of folks is more connected and visible today than before.

▲

2dfs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think youre misreading it entirely, doesnt surprise me given that you're a VC.

Here's one of the posts on that thread: "I mean one thing is to use AI or even ChatGPT as a product, and another is being aware of how billionaires treat the rest of the people

As for Sam, he also has pretty controversial views for how this whole thing will pan out and how he doesn't give a shit about the consequences it might have for the rest of us. Also more recently, the whole Pentagon contract thing"

People can both use LLMs whilst having a distasteful view of the leaders of the industry.

▲

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> whilst having a distasteful view of the leaders of the industry

I have a tremendously distasteful view of a lot of Silicon Valley leadership. Doesn’t mean I want them to suffer at the hands of vigilante justice.

▲

MiguelX413 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why not?

	▲	overfeed an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> Why not? "An old woman is always uneasy when dry bones are mentioned in a proverb" - Chinua Achebe Things Fall Apart

▲

newspaper1 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How about the 190 school girls the US murdered in the very first attack against Iran?

▲

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, the number of people connecting a potential war crime in a military operation to Sam Altman’s San Francisco residence with violent intent are slim.

▲

newspaper1 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m not saying this was due to war crimes. I’m saying war crimes blew the Overton window for violence wide open.

	▲	JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> war crimes blew the Overton window for violence wide open I see no evidence of this. We didn’t see it after Iraq. And Luigi predates all this. These aren’t organized political movements. They’re lone actors reaching breaking points. That don’t need a theory of violence, just access to guns and a day of mental instability.