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lasky 2 hours ago

We do not need help understanding why rhetoric like that is ugly.

My issue with comments like this is that they substitute moral sorting for understanding. Their main effect is to provoke disgust, identify the villain, and let readers affirm that they are on the right side. That emotional reaction is sincere.

It also shrinks the debate space for real understanding and real debate, because once a thread is framed that way, disagreement starts to look like sympathy and nuance starts to look like evasion. The tribalism kicks in and polarization continues.

The more useful discussion is what exactly is being signaled here, why it is being signaled now, who it is meant to reach, what norms it is testing, and what response that calls for.

Balinares an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry, hard disagree. Bad faith entirely precludes debate because debate is about updating and improving a position through exchanges of views, and that starts with the ability and willingness to budge from said position in the first place.

Which incidentally means that there is by definition no debating tenants of a position that can't survive one minute of good faith review. They're not there to debate. They're there to drown out and silence a truth about material reality that they're upset about.

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dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no debate. He’s a Nazi and Nazis are bad. There’s nothing to debate.

gortok 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s helpful to me when the folks that believe there should be debate about literal Nazism speak up. The fact that they are among us and are at all levels of our society is concerning, and the fact they are comfortable speaking up is a sign we haven’t done enough to eradicate conditions that allow this ideology to thrive.

selectively an hour ago | parent [-]

Truth. Unpopular here, but that is the truth.

rustyhancock an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Ultimately this approach is what's lead us to a progressively rising right wing.

If you refuse to engage in democratic systems you lose by default.

I'm still not sure why Harris didn't fight to appear on JRE.

Hilary Clinton made the same mistake. And the same mistakes are being made in Europe.

If we turn our back on the voting population you have to accept that someone else who reaches out to them gets their vote.