Ultimately this approach is what's lead us to a progressively rising right wing.

If you refuse to engage in democratic systems you lose by default.

I'm still not sure why Harris didn't fight to appear on JRE.

Hilary Clinton made the same mistake. And the same mistakes are being made in Europe.

If we turn our back on the voting population you have to accept that someone else who reaches out to them gets their vote.

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hvb2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> If we turn our back on the voting population you have to accept that someone else who reaches out to them gets their vote.

So you need to start spreading fairy tales too?

A bunch of those votes are from people that don't like what's going on. But if you ask them what they do want, you get blank stares. It's easy to, mostly with hindsight, say what things were bad decisions. It's much harder to be in favor of something because that makes you 'vulnerable'.

To keep it US centric, some person campaigned on cost of living issues and how he would fix them all. He got plenty of votes for that and just doesn't care (paraphrasing).

I can campaign on lower taxes, better healthcare, better schools, higher wages and more jobs.... But unless I have a way to actually get there, accounting for political realities, that doesn't really mean anything...

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ImPostingOnHN an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"losing by default" on elmu's "X" is actually totally okay

> If we turn our back on the voting population

I don't see how refusing to patronize 1 nazi is "turning your back on the voting population". Especially when the voting population doesn't like nazis. It's more like embracing the voting population.

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temp8830 an hour ago | parent [-]

But if far right parties are gaining votes - then some voting population is giving votes to them. Or are you saying that far right parties are not Nazis?

	▲	ImPostingOnHN an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> But if far right parties are gaining votes Which votes are those again? In the USA, which we're talking about here. If refusing to patronize 1 nazi means the far right gets more voters, we would expect to see that in USA election results over the last year or so. Fortunately, this hypothesis is not borne out in the data. In fact, I'd say your purported correlation is inverted, but I suspect there is a deeper, correlated variable: "doesn't like nazis" -> ( "doesn't vote for nazis", "doesn't patronize nazis" ).

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mnsc an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nazis have no desire to be part of any democratic system so engaging with them is ultimately an act turning your back on democracy itself. Popper out.