| ▲ | tristanj 4 hours ago |
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| ▲ | karim79 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Israel hates negotiations. Netanyahu funded Hamas. And you're writing comedy and I just can't be bothered. You got me. No you didn't. Only a Zionist would call equal rights and the right to self-determination a "maximalist" position. Answer me one thing. Who will be the people who flow into Israel while the whole world sees the ugly state it has become? A weirdly supremacist ethno-state is not a solution. It might seem like a good idea but I don't think it has legs to be honest. |
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| ▲ | cm2187 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > "Netanyahu funded Hamas" I see this claim repeated over and over. You should be aware that it is false. As far as I am aware, Israel never funded Hamas. Israel allowed Qatari money to the Gaza authority to pay for civil servants, humanitarian aid and basic services, while it was run by Hamas. | |
| ▲ | iamacyborg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Only a Zionist would call equal rights and the right to self-determination a "maximalist" position. To be clear, this was not Hamas’ position during negotiations. | |
| ▲ | boxed 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Only a Zionist would call equal rights and the right to self-determination a "maximalist" position They had equal rights and self-determination in Gaza. For decades. They never built a society from it, instead begging the international community for food, and then starting a war they knew they would lose, only for the PR points of losing badly. | | |
| ▲ | kdheiwns an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Where's a blockaded tiny slice of coastal land no more than a few miles wide with no water and no arable land supposed to even get food? Nobody is convinced by the "they're just beggars" racist stuff, man. Those poor people were actively expelled from their homes and continuously oppressed and have had their new homes flattened countless times. The fact those poor people still survive and try to rebuild each and every time shows that those people work hard. | | |
| ▲ | boxed an hour ago | parent [-] | | Israel managed to build agriculture there, that's why they left all that agricultural gear that Hamas repurposed to making rockets. > Nobody is convinced by the "they're just beggars" racist stuff, man. Nobody is convinced by the "you're just racist" stuff, man. | | |
| ▲ | kdheiwns 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's physically impossible for land that small to grow enough food to provide for their population. Those people were driven from their land and forced into an incredibly tiny and unsustainable space. And the whole "They never built a society from it" thing is what the most extreme racists and slave traffickers said about Africans so they could justify their treatment of them. It's dehumanizing and absolutely disgusting way to talk about a group of human beings and people should be shamed for saying such things. |
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| ▲ | fuck_google 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | 7952 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Israel are unwilling or unable to hold to agreements and that makes them an unreliable partner. The same has been true of America with Iran. Both Iran and America also have a maximalist approach in terms of use of remote weapons and reluctance to accept casualties. That limits the effectiveness of "might makes right". Massively more so in the larger Iran. And whilst Gaza might seem like a collosal defeat it could be seen in a more positive light in a culture that views sacrifice as noble. Again same could be true of Iran. |
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| ▲ | ZeroGravitas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People really love this "might makes right" stuff till it's their civilians being killed in large numbers, then suddenly it's a problem. |
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| ▲ | hackable_sand 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Your arguments directly conflict |
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| ▲ | Hikikomori 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not true. Hamas wanted to do hostage exchange for Palestinian women and children held in Israeli prisons and truce within the first week. Israel refused. |
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