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| ▲ | stavros 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'd say "I agree, the US should lose more people" but I wouldn't wish casualties on anyone. Still, the fact that the US can kill people without any cost because they send drones to do it doesn't sit well with me at all. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I don't really like having to defend Iran, so I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in this is right. | | |
| ▲ | cineticdaffodil an hour ago | parent [-] | | The world os wrong because its sliding back into the rule of the strong from the before times. |
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| ▲ | matusp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Russia is actually gaining people in this war. The occupied territory they intend to keep has a prewar population of 10M. |
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| ▲ | krige 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That would be true if they were keeping the native population there alive. We know they were importing presumably loyal people from deep Russia. What happened to original occupants? You can guess. |
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| ▲ | OwlsParlay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trump has avoided a ground invasion up to this point for this exact reason, even trying to take one of outerlying islands would have heavy casualties due to drone warfare. There's speculation that the mess over the weekend was the result of a SOF mission gone wrong. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > the US has lost what, <20 people by now, in over a month? Putin loses >20 people per hour of his war Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two. The two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two Russia's military power has been vastly diminished by its war. If America committed to a ground invasion and then stuck with it through the next President, yes, we'd probably see similar degradation of American martial ability over years. > two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself Agree. But it does point to the extent to which one system will go to reduce loss of life. |
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| ▲ | mikkupikku 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries. The longer this war continues the worse it will get. Nonetheless, the American people themselves are mostly safe at home, the precedent for Iran launching any sort of attacks against the American homeland is basically nonexistent. Even sending terror cells, you'd think Iran would be on this for how often their western critics accuse them of funding terrorism, but in America? Crickets. This war is bullshit. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries No, we're not. It's bad. But it's nothing compared to Russia. |
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| ▲ | SanjayMehta 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Nonsense. Look at the body exchange ratios. Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine. X and Telegram channels are full of videos of freshly dug graves in The Ukraine. Mediazona (a BBC propaganda arm) tracks obituaries in Russia and even a blatantly biased outlet is unable to prove such assertions like 20 people per hour. Edit: since Hypocrisy News is rate limiting me I can't reply to the redditor asking for a source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7ed4rp7x5o |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine Source? | | |
| ▲ | rainworld 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is a rather grim comment, but: when a war is fought with 155mm shells, over 100k per month, that doesn't necessarily leave bodies. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Article says "Russia is likely handing over more bodies than it receives since its troops have captured more Ukrainian bodies than vice versa, since they have been on the offensive for most of the war." That could be bullshit. But it holds water as a hypothesis. If Ukraine were suffering 20:1 casualty ratios against itself on the field, Russia would have won already. There are no weapons that can overcome a small belligerent losing more bodies than the larger one. | | | |
| ▲ | gambiting 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe it's simply because Ukrainians aren't killing Russians within territory they control, so they don't have as many bodies to exchange. Looking at body exchanges to determine the number of dead people on either side seems just...like a weird metric? | | |
| ▲ | kelipso an hour ago | parent [-] | | It’s a reasonable metric but it should be evaluated based on what’s happening on the ground. For example, if Russia is advancing and Ukraine is retreating, and KIA is same in each side, then Russia would pick up many more bodies to exchange than Ukraine. |
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| ▲ | bigfatkitten 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The Ukraine The fact you use this term makes it quite clear which side you’re speaking for. | |
| ▲ | gambiting 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >>from The Ukraine It's just Ukraine. Unless you're doing this on purpose. >>and even a blatantly biased outlet is unable to prove such assertions like 20 people per hour https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-grinding-war-ukraine It seems to hover around 30k dead a month recently, so 1000 people a day, divided by 24, that's actually ~41 people an hour. But you know, even if we assume these numbers are wildly innacurate and only half those given...that's still 20 per hour? >>X and Telegram channels are full of videos of freshly dug graves in The Ukraine. No doubt, but what does that have to do with anything. >>Edit: since Hypocrisy News is rate limiting me I can't reply to the redditor asking for a source: So on one hand you call BBC a highly biased source, and then you link an article from it? So which one is it? Is it biased, or is it the source of your information? |
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