This book doesn’t cover the UK specifically, but it does detail Russia’s well-publicized strategy of promoting reactionary media narratives to destabilize the United States and the EU. I feel like at some point, people will need to start taking this seriously, instead of continuing to act like people suddenly just started telling insane racist lies on the internet for no reason. https://icct.nl/publication/russia-and-far-right-insights-te...

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specproc 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I always wonder why people zoom in on Russia, when there's so much America involved.

Trump and Musk are constantly targeting London and Khan on social media, but sure, it's the Russians driving this.

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dhosek 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems to me like a lot of the American stuff is people directly or indirectly under Russian influence or part of an international network of extreme-right politics of which Putin is the most powerful figure.

	▲	specproc 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Is Putin the most powerful figure? It seems Bibi holds the most sway over Trump this month. Don't get me wrong, I've no love for Putin, but framing the Trump project as Russian misses the huge amount of American money and effort behind him. Is Musk a Russian agent? The Heritage Foundation? Fox? There's a huge, all-American infrastructure behind Trump 2.0. I'm sure plenty of countries did their very best to get that guy in the Whitehouse, but I don't buy that Putin is the main character here.

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tencentshill 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And now you have moved the argument away from Russia. Pulling a thread off-topic like that is one of their simplest strategies. It begs for engagement.

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specproc 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The two most high profile actors publicly laying into London are American. Surely Ockham's razor applies here?

	▲	SanjayMehta 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"They're both Russian agents." Just a matter of time before you start hearing this again. They already tried this once using the Steele dossier.

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carlosjobim 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sunshine is the best disinfectant. When you start hiding your problems and blaming those who expose them, you are on a spiral which only goes down.

It doesn't matter if your enemy also wants to promote this. If you follow this line of thought, you have to support the government of China censoring the Tiananmen Square massacre. Because their enemies in the West have for decades been talking about it.

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mbgerring 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We’re talking about people making things up from whole cloth, such as asserting that Haitian immigrants steal and eat dogs from white Americans in the suburbs, among many, many such examples. San Francisco has also been a target of this kind of propaganda for the entire time I’ve lived here.

I agree that social problems should be exposed. One such social problem is widespread, entirely fabricated stories of crime and violence, accepted uncritically by people who don’t live in the supposedly affected areas, driving division and political discourse that lead to real-world harm.

There is an enormous amount of evidence that this propaganda, mainly spread through social media, is a product of a foreign government strategy to interfere in the internal politics of “enemy” nations. If this is true, it should be exposed and shut down.

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mothballed 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think it's any secret that some cultures love to eat dogs or other "pets" or unusual animals. I wonder if Trump was mixing up Haitians with some other groups.

I have a lot of 3rd world family, when I take them to the zoo they spend about half the time ogling over all the animals they've eaten or would like to eat. When I go back to their home country, I see dogs being roasted over an open fire. I have personally been offered a dog I've witnessed roasting, more than once, by a common immigrant group in America.

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		We're all aware of the roadside kill peccadilloes of the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services, but that's hardly cause to paint them all as a third world family.
	▲	fhdkweig 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> I wonder if Trump was mixing up Haitians with some other groups. This started from a specific accusation from one neighbor blaming a missing cat on a Haitian neighbor, claiming to see it hanging dead from a tree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_pet-eating_hoax

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jfengel 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is unclear to me that sunlight has ever disinfected anything. Lies spread faster than the truth.

That's not to say you'll do any good by hiding problems. It's just that exposing them isn't going to fix anything, either. You do have to fix your own problems, but you also need to get some breathing room by getting people to cease lying about it.

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timbaboon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sunshine in the UK?? :P