I always wonder why people zoom in on Russia, when there's so much America involved.

Trump and Musk are constantly targeting London and Khan on social media, but sure, it's the Russians driving this.

It seems to me like a lot of the American stuff is people directly or indirectly under Russian influence or part of an international network of extreme-right politics of which Putin is the most powerful figure.

	▲	specproc 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Is Putin the most powerful figure? It seems Bibi holds the most sway over Trump this month. Don't get me wrong, I've no love for Putin, but framing the Trump project as Russian misses the huge amount of American money and effort behind him. Is Musk a Russian agent? The Heritage Foundation? Fox? There's a huge, all-American infrastructure behind Trump 2.0. I'm sure plenty of countries did their very best to get that guy in the Whitehouse, but I don't buy that Putin is the main character here.

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tencentshill 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And now you have moved the argument away from Russia. Pulling a thread off-topic like that is one of their simplest strategies. It begs for engagement.

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specproc 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The two most high profile actors publicly laying into London are American. Surely Ockham's razor applies here?

	▲	SanjayMehta 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"They're both Russian agents." Just a matter of time before you start hearing this again. They already tried this once using the Steele dossier.