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ceejayoz 4 hours ago

Why would the retirees want to be put back to work?

Why would the students want to have to do two full-time tasks at once?

Why would the homemakers want to add another full-time task?

Why would the people with cancer want to have to work from their hospital bed?

There's more to life than work. Get a hobby! Hope and purpose doesn't have to come from menial labor.

ryandrake 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Money, money, money, and money. We need it to survive. Until people's basic needs are taken care of for them, they need to do what they can to live.

Lerc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Humans are older than money, so evidently we don't need it to survive, but there is more to existence than mere survival. I agree that people's basic needs to be taken care of, but I think that is an issue that needs to happen because of automation. It needs to happen because it is simply the right thing to do. I would go as fas as saying It shouldn't just be basic needs. Society should be aiming to provide the entire hierarchy of needs for everyone.

I think having employment delivers some of the higher needs to a subset of people, but it is a privileged few. A huge number work just to provide the basic needs. Advocating using the advances in automation to raise everybody up is what we need. Instead we seem to be maintaining a system that gives a few what we want and the rest of us are too busy with the survival part to influence that change.

andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-]

> Society should be aiming to provide the entire hierarchy of needs for everyone.

I don’t know. Society should provide the framework within which people can achieve their needs (and wants), but not the needs and wants themselves directly.

Otherwise you put an artificial cap on human growth and inefficient allocation of resources.

throwaway173738 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why not simply pay the homemakers? Why is it so important that everyone produce economic output at the widget factory?

Allow me to translate into a language you can understand: The people who are all “unemployed” are actually performing valuable services like maintaining the future labor pool, learning how to become skilled workers, and so on. These people should not have a second job, they should be paid for the valuable services they’re providing.

mitthrowaway2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

IMO, basic income for parents is absolutely a policy that Japan should enact.

And the question of how much the payment should be has a straightforward answer: adjust until the birth rate reaches replacement.

If the payment ends up high enough that some mothers or fathers opt to leave the labor force to focus on raising their kids, then so be it; that's probably healthier for society in the long term.

It would be expensive, yes, but cheaper than the alternatives. And anyway, Japan's stagnant economy would likely benefit from the boost to consumer demand.

nradov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds good. You're welcome to pay those people as much as you like. No one is stopping you.

ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Huh. You used to be concerned with declining birth rates.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11000823

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38735888

fluoridation 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You didn't answer the question, you answered a different question: "why would someone want to work, just in general?" The question that was posed was, why would someone who has already chosen to retire, or who is already fully occupied, or who is sick, want to work?

ceejayoz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Again, we're talking about retirees, homemakers, college students, disabled, etc. here.