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jazz9k 18 hours ago

Who wouldn't want to rack up a bunch of debt and just not pay when the bill came due?

hdgvhicv 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Companies do this all the time, then declare bankruptcy and move on.

nickpinkston 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Totally agree - there's a lot of double standards here:

Bankruptcy is good for entrepreneurial risk, but not for human thriving apparently...

tpmoney 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Bankruptcy is great for human thriving, and the extensive US bankruptcy system is one of the best tools our legal system has for people who wind up in bad situations. It's a complete shame that we decided that student loan debt was ineligible for most forms of bankruptcy once it became clear that federal guaranteeing of loans would generate a lot of high risk loans.

But fleeing to another country and/or simply refusing to pay your debts, regardless of whether or not you are able to are is not bankruptcy. It's simply refusing to pay your debts.

declan_roberts 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Student loans should also get discharged in bankruptcy and the schools who are benefiting from predatory lending should take the bath.

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gunapologist99 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People investing in companies do so knowing that it might be a poor investment.

But if a company borrowed the money and never had the intention to make enough to pay it back or return on investment, we have a different word for that. That word is fraud. Just ask Elizabeth Holmes.

tartoran 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Its not bad intention from the start. Im sure the succesful ones who land well pating jobs after school do pay off their loans.

kkotak 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are corporations too.

dyauspitr 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s intentional to foster the growth of entrepreneurship. It’s the ability to do something without being personally liable. It’s a good thing.

samesamediffer 17 hours ago | parent [-]

How does your argument fail to also apply to student loans?

Analemma_ 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People can decide on what terms they want to loan money to, or invest in, a business, based on how likely they think it is to succeed. And if they guess wrong, tough luck, they should've been smarter. The incentive structure here is to make it easier to raise money with good ideas and harder to raise money with stupid ones.

This incentive structure doesn't exist with student loans: student loans are unconditional, and with terms that don't take into account likelihood of payback.

dyauspitr 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When companies declare bankruptcy they have to liquidate their assets and pay back as much as they can. How is it different from student loans?

kadoban 17 hours ago | parent [-]

The difference is you _can't_ do that for student loans. There is no option to get rid of them via bankruptcy.

So, this happens instead.

tracerbulletx 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many people seem to have been successfully brainwashed into moralizing debt but only for 19 year old serfs who have been lied to about the value of the asset they're taking out debt for. If its a corporation transferring 20 billion of debt into a leveraged buy out so they can shut down the company after squeezing all the assets out of it, that's just doing business.

nickpinkston 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly! I like the analogy of:

When the bank is giving you a sub-prime loan, who is more sophisticated in that transaction?

If the bank (with their fancy risk models, etc.), why shouldn't they be the party to take the bulk of that risk?

gunapologist99 17 hours ago | parent [-]

In the United States at least, a bank who is offering a subprime loan is taking the bulk of that risk.

Student loans are guaranteed by the federal government. That is not the same thing at all.

llm_nerd 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A similar situation occurs if you bring up usurious bank charges, such as overdraft fees. I lucked into an aptitude for a lucrative paycheque/career, but somehow I still manage to feel enormous sympathy for people being utterly robbed by these fees, banks literally structuring transactions to charge enormous penalties to the very people least able to afford it, for something which actually costs them fractions of a cent.

People become absolutely psychopathic about these sorts of discussions, and become heartless, soulless goblins. Even people at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder will desperately line up to show how good of little corporate bootlicking subjugates they are.

s5300 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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rvz 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ask Oracle.

s5300 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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