How Iran Should End the War

throw310822 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't get this. It goes on and on about the conditions of a ceasefire or peace between Iran and the US, as if the US had any actual motives for this war. They do not. The real instigator of the war is Israel, the reason for decades of sanctions is Israel, and the US have already proven that they will renege any agreement if Israel tells them to.

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verdverm 13 hours ago | parent [-]

For US motives, it's more about Trump trying to do something for his legacy, he wants to be the one who ended Iran's terror. Obviously not going according to "the plan" and Iran's regime seems to not be going anywhere. There doesn't seem to be any thought of second order effects or what comes after the shooting stops.

Short of regime change, it sounds like this is going to become an exercise in "mowing the lawn" as some people describe it. The irony of course is that it was the US doing regime change that set us on this path.

	▲	throw310822 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> For US motives, it's more about Trump trying to do something for his legacy That's not a US motive, it's a Trump motive. And who used Trump's vanity as a lever? Netanyahu of course. Had it been a different president, he would have used a different lever. Humanitarian reasons, the safety of Israel, you name it. That's what I am saying: it's pointless to talk to the US because the US have no agency anymore.

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verdverm 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Foreign Affairs publishes essays from both sides. This is a view from the Iranian side. There are certainly some interesting points to discuss, and also what might be missing.

Author:

> M. JAVAD ZARIF is Associate Professor of Global Studies at the University of Tehran and Founder and President of Possibilities Architects. He previously served as Iran’s Vice President, Foreign Minister, and Permanent Representative in the United Nations. The views expressed here are his own.

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TacticalCoder 16 hours ago | parent [-]

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	▲	verdverm 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Where can I read an article from foreignaffairs.com about the 30 000+ protesters in Iran who were slaughtered by islamist guards? The front page has several essays that bring this up. You can also find essays that discuss the slaughter of Palestinians by the IDF. Here is one from an Israeli perspective, published the day prior to the submitted: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/iran-imperative It's also worth noting that there is more than one perspective in Iranian leadership for what the future should look like. If regime change is going to come to Iran, whoever takes the reigns will need the support of some group with the means to enforce it. This essay from a few days prior offers a history lesson on how the current regime came to be: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/real-war-irans-future > Why are we giving a voice to... FA does not engage in viewpoint censorship. They believe that having high quality pieces from multiple viewpoints is better. > And why are people upvoting on HN articles written by... HN generally upvotes thought provoking content. While this essay clearly has propaganda, so do the essays from the other side. This essay is interesting because it offers a well articulated perspective on the situations and concessions that need to be considered to bring this war of choice to an end. It relays a picture and steps that end their nuclear ambitions with clearly spelled. It also raises the issue that they do not trust the negotiators Trump sent. Will we accept China providing Iran with security guarantees, similar to those we wish to give Ukraine against Russia? Clearly missing is any discussion of the long-term issues at play, Israeli safety and a self governing home for Palestinians. The elephant in the room is that you cannot effect regime change from the air, or seemingly with boots on the ground. The last two times the US attempted this it went on for 20 years and reversed as we left. As Stephen Kotkin is fond of saying, "You can win the war and lose the peace. You can also lose the war and win the peace." (the later is often exampled by Vietnam)

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JaceDev 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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