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| ▲ | GeekyBear 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > That's normal behavior when your server is being reverse-engineered or abused. Video bandwidth is not free. Microsoft rewrote their Windows Phone native client to pass through Google's ads. Google still blocked it. Was it normal behavior when Google blocked Amazon Fire devices from connecting to YouTube with a web browser during the Google/Amazon corporate spat? To be fair, Google did back down almost immediately when the tech press picked up on it. Not allowing a native client for your monopoly market share video service on Amazon devices while also blocking Amazon's web browser on those devices is making things a bit too obvious. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Again - servers are always offered at-will. If the service provider wants to boot you out, their TOS usually won't give you the right to renegotiate service. Clients are not offered at-will, they either work or they don't. Nvidia ships AArch64 UNIX drivers, Apple is the one that neglects their UNIX clients. | | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Using your monopoly market share video service as a weapon against companies offering platforms that compete with your own is textbook antitrust behavior. Google used YouTube as a weapon against both Windows Phone and devices running Amazon's Fire fork of Android. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > monopoly market share video service A "monopoly" "service"? What have they monopolized, laziness? It's not the App Store, you can go replace it with DailyMotion at your earliest convenience. You're still retreading why your original comment was not at all relevant to the critique being made. We have precedent for prosecuting monopolistic behavior in America, but it doesn't encompass services even when they're mandatory to use the client. It does have a precedent for arbitrarily preventing competitors from shipping a runtime that competes with the default OS, incidentally. | | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent [-] | | When your product has a monopoly market share, you don't get to use it as a weapon against competitors in other markets, even if you claim there is some imaginary exception to antitrust law involving servers. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s called “No duty to deal” https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui... | | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Which is fine, right up until you: have a product with a monopoly market share AND use that product as a weapon against competitors in other markets That conduct is clearly illegal. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The entire idea of capitalism is to use your advantages over competitors. But exactly how does Apple have a monopoly in computers with less than 10-15% market share? | | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The entire point of antitrust law is to place limits on what capitalists are allowed to do. Apple doesn't have what American law sees as a monopoly market share in any market. Be aware that other jurisdictions, like the EU, start placing restrictions on the behavior of companies with lower market share than American antitrust law requires. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Instead of passing laws, maybe the EU could foster an economic environment where Europeans wouldn’t have to depend on American tech companies and actually has tech products that people wanted to buy… |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't get to demand that the server support your endpoint, period. There is no precedent for that ever happening in US antitrust law, because it's not anticompetitive. If you think otherwise, make your case to Google's lawyers instead of spinning hypothetical case law. |
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| ▲ | realusername 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There hasn't been any abuse in this story as far as I know, it's not like mass downloads of videos happened with their client. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 days ago | parent [-] | | That's besides the point, you don't own the server. You cannot expect the server to work forever, or demand a right to access it. You do own the client though. In the example upstream, the failure to support macOS clients can't be blamed on Nvidia because they already wrote AArch64 UNIX support. | | |
| ▲ | realusername 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | When you have a monopoly like YouTube, yes you can expect to have an access to the platform if it prevents competition. It's textbook antitrust laws. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You're going to need to cite legal precedent for that. I could not go sue HBO for monopolizing Game of Thrones and refusing to stream it in 8K to my Linux PC. There are no damages. | | |
| ▲ | realusername 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Google is above the law in the US, there's a reason why the CEO sits at the presidential inauguration. It's not about laws but power. And your example is pretty poor, HBO doesn't have a 10th of the power of YouTube. | | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent [-] | | It's worth remembering that the career officials in the Obama FTC wanted to launch an antitrust lawsuit against Google back in the day. The political appointees (of both parties) shut that lawsuit down. |
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| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're going to need to cite this imaginary "server" exemption to American antitrust law that you claim to believe exists. |
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| ▲ | GeekyBear 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You cannot use a monopoly market share product like YouTube as a weapon against companies who compete with you in other areas. This is as basic as antitrust law gets. |
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