| ▲ | Jcampuzano2 14 hours ago |
| Claude and Codex pro/max subs aren't supposed to be used for commercial/enterprise development so its not really an option for execs in enterprise. They need to take into account API costs. At my F500 company execs are very wary of the costs of most of these tools and its always top of mind. We have dashboards and gather tons of internal metrics on which tools devs are using and how much they are costing. |
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| ▲ | christophilus 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| No, I think that’s wrong. They aren’t supposed to be put behind a service, but they can certainly be used to write professional products/ products for the enterprise. |
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| ▲ | otterley 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are they also measuring productivity? Measuring only token costs is like looking only at grocery spend but not the full receipt: you don’t know whether you fed your family for a week or for only a day. |
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| ▲ | Jcampuzano2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not one of those execs, I'm just echoing what they tell us from those I've talked to who manage these dashboards and worry about this. I do think measuring productivity is not very clear-cut especially with these tools. They do "attempt" to measure productivity. But they also just see large dollar amounts on AI costs and get wary. My company is also wary of going all in with any one tool or company due to how quickly stuff changes. So far they've been trying to pool our costs across all tools together and give us an "honor system" limit we should try not to go above per month until we do commit to one suite of tools. | |
| ▲ | batshit_beaver 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | First you have to figure out HOW to measure productivity. | | |
| ▲ | otterley 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | (Output / input), both of which are usually measured in money. If you can measure both of those things--and you have bigger problems if your finance department can't--it logically follows that you can measure productivity. | | |
| ▲ | Jcampuzano2 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Measuring strictly in terms of money per unit time over a small enough timeframe is difficult because not all tasks directly result in immediately observed results. There are tasks worked on at large enterprises that have 5+ year horizons, and those can't all immediately be tracked in terms of monetary gain that can be correlated with AI usage. We've barely even had AI as a daily tool used for development for a few years. |
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| ▲ | petesergeant 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Claude and Codex pro/max subs aren't supposed to be used for commercial/enterprise development lolwut? |
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