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stavros 7 hours ago

Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral behavior.

No, Anthropic, just because you added a clause that says "we can change these terms whenever" doesn't make it right. I'm paying you a set amount of money a month for a set amount of tokens (that's what limits are), and I should be able to use these tokens however I want.

Luckily, there are alternatives.

benced 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They changed the terms going forward so you’re changing your behavior going forward? Nobody but the psychos you’re making up would think you’re out of line here. They’re not required to offer the same product forever and you’re not required to pay forever.

jakelazaroff 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anthropic changing their terms is fine. You taking your money elsewhere is also fine. What's the issue here?

harha 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One interesting observation I had between ChatGPT and Claude before I was familiar with openclaw came when I asked if about the difference between ChatGPT and Claude for coding and if I can get to a setup that can use both. At that time I had both subscriptions, felt it was better to build with Claude but was frequently reaching limits.

ChatGPT found it was a great idea and that I can use Claude for planning and gave me instructions on how to best hand off the building part. Claude told me it’s a horrible idea.

Claude also burns much more liberally through tokens, eg reading through entire irrelevant docs.

Openclaw is great for resolving this since I much more control which work goes where and also gives a much better user experience without all the back and forth to understand what context it has (my use case is to build things from my phone while I’m in senseless meetings in my day job).

Fully agree on the alternatives. In the end Claude’s experience is worse, while it still makes bad decisions if you let it. Better to get a good workflow on a less capable model.

nrmitchi 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This actually seems rather generous of them? Not only are they offering credits equal the cost you paid, but they're offering refunds if you disagree.

Anthropic not allowing Claiude Code subscriptions to be used with other projects isn't "pulling the rug out"; you paid for an API subscription to use Claude Code, and now you're using it for a different purpose and a different product.

If Tesla offered $10/month charging for your Tesla, and then a bunch of people turned around and use their Tesla Charge subscription to charge all different electric vehicles, and battery packs, and also hooked up a crypto mining rig to it, would you be surprised if they said "Nope, we're cutting this off. You can only use your Tesla Charge subscription for your Tesla vehicle"?

stavros 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Nope, I paid for an Anthropic subscription that I could use with the Agents SDK. Then they decided I shouldn't be able to use that, just because.

> If Tesla offered $10/month charging for your Tesla

No, "if Tesla offered $10/month for 100 kWh of charging", and yes, I expect to use those 100 kWh with any vehicle I want, because there's a limit on the resource I'm paying for.

I can understand caps on unlimited, I can't understand caps when there are strict limits.

danpalmer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

A more apt comparison is Telsa offering $10/m for 100kWh for your car, or pay-as-you-go for any cars, but then you setting up shop at a charger, putting up a sign saying anyone can charge on your subscription until you reach that limit.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Who is "anyone" here if I'm the only one charging?

danpalmer an hour ago | parent [-]

Anyone is the other software you're using. You were sold a subscription for use in a specific application controlled by the service provider, that they can optimise and control as needed to maintain their business.

You are the reason these changes are happening. You may well be the reason that subscription prices go up.

post-it 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean that's the thing, you're paying per month. And they're changing things going forward and offering to refund the current month.

It's like if I buy a hot dog every month and they tell me they're raising the price next month, or discontinuing honey mustard. Inconvenient but they're not doing anything wrong.

Especially since, given my back of the napkin math, they're giving us a pretty decent discount on the subscription plans.