Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

orf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Out of interest, what sequence of actions by which country in particular led to the modern Iranian regime?

culi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Iran has actually never directly killed any US citizens. This misconception arises because its allies in Lebanon have done so. But the US and Israel were occupying the bottom third of Lebanon so I would hardly call that an attack.

There was also the hostage crisis but that was done by student protestors rather than the Iranian government.

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shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA.

I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister).

I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here. This is now similar to the build-up to Vietnam though - I don't see Trump being able to withdraw, without looking incompetent, so he is now committed to the war, similar to why Putin can not stop his invasion of Ukraine. Two criminals, one thought.

	▲	hereme888 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		60% enriched uranium for radical Islamists who supply terrorists throughout the world and want to eradicate the US? A terrorist regime that wants to nuke one of the closest US allies... The white house staff have been pretty clear and consistent in the reasons.
	▲	mhb 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It is not obvious at all unless you don't understand Iran's objectives and its attacks on Israel (a country over 1,000 miles away) for the past several decades.

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UncleOxidant 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Clueless? The US has been interfering in Iran (stuff like removing democratically elected prime minister) since 1953, at least.

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hereme888 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The 1953 coup was ugly realpolitik, but the Islamic Republic's hostility began in 1979 (hostage crisis, embassy takeover, fatwas against the West). Iran has been the initiator of most modern conflict.

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UncleOxidant 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So you don't think 1953 had anything to do with 1979? It just kind of happened out of the blue?

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hereme888 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It contributed, but downright accusing the US for 1979 ignores Iranian agency, the Shah's own policy failures, economic/social pressures, and the ideological revolutionaries.

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jm4 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think you need to learn more about the history of U.S./Iran relations over the past 75 years. There was a pretty good episode of NPR Throughline a couple weeks back that gets into the CIA bullshit and then 1979 onwards. Iran has not been a good actor, but we aren’t exactly saints either. It’s an ugly situation all around.

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UncleOxidant an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, and how did they get the Shah, again? You're maybe starting to get closer to enlightenment.

	▲	hereme888 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Ok, the Shah didn’t just randomly happen. The U.S. and U.K. helped put him back in power, so American interference is part of the chain that led to 1979... apparently largely due to geopolitical and crude oil reasons.... huh. Enlightened.