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kackerlacker 6 hours ago

This is exactly the situation I think of when I hear news of rescue missions. Running a rescue in a place with functional air defense is a recursive rescue problem that could quickly get out of control.

MikeTheGreat 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't that basically the plotline of the Blackhawk Down movie?

And, more importantly, the real-life events on which it's based?

0cf8612b2e1e 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly what happens to me in Kerbel Space Program.

Rescue team for the rescue team.

markovs_gun 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The first time I ever attempted a rescue mission in KSP, I ended up stranding 5 different kerbals in various orbita nearby trying to get the first one, and of course every one was a bigger and more complicated craft trying to save as many kerbals as possible. Eventually I just gave up and put a giant cross memorial in orbit, part as a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion, and part as a memorial to the like 6 kerbals I left stranded in space.

wafflemaker 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you tactically forgot to put parachute on the landing pod? Or run out of fuel mid mission?

downrightmike 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Slaps car, thsi baby can fit soo many rescue teams in it

zabzonk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US did it all the time in Vietnam.

ranger207 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And it did sometimes get way out of control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Bat_21_Bravo

wahern 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My neighbor was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam, the one mentioned in this article who came back with over 100 bullet holes in his helicopter after the rescue operation: https://historynet.com/rescue-in-death-valley-with-hhm-163-t... That rescue wasn't to retrieve a pilot, but nearly 200 soldiers being overrun.

It's difficult to squeeze stories out of him, but mostly because it was so long ago and ancient history to him. Just to put his timeline in perspective, after the war he befriended a captain of the White Russian Navy who had to flee after the Russian Revolution. Alot of White Russians ended up in San Francisco, which is where my neighbor settled down in the 60s.

rkagerer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Thanks for sharing, that's a crazy read.

onion2k 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's an example of things getting out of control.

i_love_retros 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Possibly the best example

harambae 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure if it was actually used, but a fun idea for pilot recovery..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_ROE_Rotorcycle

jasomill 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The Fulton recovery system[1] using a self-inflating balloon was used in production.

Though if Iranian air defenses are capable of shooting down an F-15, mounting a rescue operation with a C-130 may not be the brightest idea.

Anyone know the minimum speed of a B-2?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery...

orbital-decay 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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jwilber 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

…against the viet cong, where the biggest risk was the pilot getting pierced from small arms fire (in addition to the helo going down from pilot error). Quite different from the anti-air weapons modern day Iran possesses.

Edman274 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you aware that hundreds of American fixed wing aircraft were lost to surface to air missiles in North Vietnam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._aircraft_losses_t...

jwilber 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yeah, well I didn’t know it was that high!

But I’m responding to the rescue mission comment, which, since Vietnam, have overwhelmingly employed helicopters (Huey’s then, Black Hawks today). But machinery aside, the larger point is that air operations will likely go worse here than they did in Vietnam, unfortunately for both sides.

greedo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're conflating the Viet Cong with North Vietnam.

bigyabai 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or a MiG-17 that could outrate your F-4/F-105 at every subsonic flight regime.

alonethrowaway 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I imagine Trump would threaten to nuke a major city if it didnt stop and pilots werent returned safe. Not that I agree, but I think that's what he would emotionally do.