I just love people who go on their soapbox to complain about a newer alternative when the status quo is worse

"nooo but proton mail complies to court orders!!111" wow shocking I know right? Do you think the other providers don't?

These are usually the same people who forget rubber-hose decrypting works

"But they use LiveKitCloud" yes - however we don't know half the story

Can Proton BYOK over their infra?

LiveKit's website TOS with a generic user - not ProtonMail. We don't know if there are any agreements there

> "all disputes are governed by the laws of the State of California"

Yes this is common with TOS.

> Their privacy policy explicitly acknowledges FTC jurisdiction and states the company will "access, preserve, and disclose your information"

This is the important part, not the other one above it

> showed active connections to 161.115.177.32 on port 443, a LiveKit-owned IP block (ARIN OrgId LIVEK) hosted on Oracle Cloud Infrastructure

Good test, but what/where was the originating IP? Was it using Brave's VPN (to the US) by any chance?

TBH I'm still more annoyed about the 90 day cookie - that was just rude

So again "why don't we have better privacy respecting options?" Maybe because if we try to do it some "privacy advicates" will throw a massive fit complaining about all its shorcomings (and still not pay for the service)

People complain because Proton specifically advertises privacy, mainstream providers don't. Which is pretty reasonable as far as complaining goes.

Good job on mocking others though :*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption

Your complaint is not at all what the article is about.

The article is showing that the proton claim that their new service is private from the US government data acquisition, including inability to access call metadata, is a lie (an intentional misrepresentation of the known truth by Proton).

You’ve missed the point: being deceptive is not ok, regardless of whether “the status quo is worse”.