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| ▲ | michaelt 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The Dubai government denies this strike happened In the UAE it's illegal to talk about the strikes, or post videos of them online. $55,000+ fine and 2+ years in prison. Over 100 people have already been arrested. When the two different governments said contradictory things, in other situations a journalist would arrange for a local correspondent to head over to the Oracle building and see if it's visibly damaged, maybe get some photos. | | |
| ▲ | shykes 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's interesting, because I initially thought these restrictions in UAE were strictly because of operational security. That is why Israel and Ukraine, for example, also forbid posting images of missile impacts: it provides valuable targeting information to the enemy. In Israel the legal framework is military censorship; in Ukraine it's martial law. Enforcement against individuals is strong in Ukraine, and more selective in Israel - presumably because Ukraine has a bigger internal infiltration problem, or perhaps because Israelis are more disciplined or have more effective social pressure? In any case, in turns out I was mistaken: apparently in UAE the wave of arrests are not framed as operational security, but a wider ban on information that could "spread misinformation", "cause panic", "affect national security", or "damage reputation". So it's a wider legal framework with more complicated implications - less of a no-brainer than I initially thought! | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | UAE has always been one of the more repressive government on the planet. |
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| ▲ | abought 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So it's down to a contest of whether to trust the government of Iran, or a cloud vendor status page? Maybe we can check something hosted in Oracle Cloud as the tiebreaker? | | |
| ▲ | tristanj 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, most likely Iran actually launched missiles targeted at the Oracle datacenter, but they were intercepted. The UAE successfully intercepts about 90% of incoming Iranian drones and missiles. Then Iran then claims the attack was successful for domestic propaganda purposes, and since there is no internet in Iran, nobody can verify if it was actually successful. |
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| ▲ | spwa4 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's also a warcrime, of course. I wonder if, if they lied, is it still a warcrime? I would expect it is. I guess we'll see what the consequences are to warcrimes. Massive worldwide demonstrations in favor of the people committing warcrimes, like usually? | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What motivation would Iran have to not commit war crimes? It's not as if the US and Israel are restraining themselves from committing war crimes. Certainly the UN isn't going to step in and do anything. This war started with the US committing a war crime (blowing up a girl's school). | | |
| ▲ | reddozen 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | ...what? What does the UN have to do with war crimes lol. And why would the US care about war crimes we literally aren't signatory to the Rome statute. how could your comment get so many things wrong in so little text. | | |
| ▲ | yread 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | war crimes don't have anything to do with Rome, Rome is only about prosecution by ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes | | |
| ▲ | reddozen a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | You do recognize the contradiction saying Rome Statute has nothing to do with war crimes, then saying Rome Statute is how you prosecute war crimes right? | |
| ▲ | jasomill 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And while the US is a member of the UN and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (not the ICC), as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it also has the power to unilaterally veto any enforcement action (as do China, France, Russia, and the UK). | | |
| ▲ | reddozen 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ok? The ICC prosecutes war crimes in complementarity. The ICJ does not. Not sure what UN Security Council has to do with anything? I can't tell if this is AI. Add to your slop context you're probably thinking of IHL. |
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| ▲ | sthkr 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Datacenters aren't categorized for warcrimes. Desalination plants, water treatment plants, power plants, etc. would be highly significant for millions of the population. | |
| ▲ | whynotmaybe 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Outside of the countries involved, Is it really a war crime though? If Oracle's providing services to your enemy's army aren't they a "legitimate" target just like a tank factory? | | |
| ▲ | __patchbit__ 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | “Israel and the powerful American lobby” don't sign the guestbook when they speak behind closed doors planning the Occupied Territories Cancer in the U.S. Congress and Senate, Gaza. |
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| ▲ | tharmas 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are there any military personnel working at the Oracle Facility? Big Tech is very much used in this War so not a stretch to imagine military personnel working there. Apparently the hotels that were struck in Dubai etc were attacked because US military personnel were working remotely there due to US bases being damaged. |
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